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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    As a native Texan, and as I stated in an earlier post. It doesn't matter whether or not Texas could secede tomorrow - meaning without out any legal hitches what-so-ever with the Federal Government. It all boils down to what it cost and what resources are needed to run an independent country.

    Texas doesn't have the economic or resource strength to become its own country...period. It would never survive being an independent country. Well, maybe it could if we in Texas want to become another Haiti or the like.
    I'm from Texas as well, and agree. Any attempted secession, even if successful, would just lead to it becoming like Somalia or Lebanon, a fragmented failed nation that would be a magnet for terrorist bases. Instead of jihadists, these terrorists would be militias and white supremacists.

    What most people don't seem to realize is that Texas secessionists are virtually all white hardline conservatives, to the right of someone like Santorum. Those huge parts of Texas that are Latino would fight secession tooth and nail.

    Any secession would just lead to a shattered state looking like this, the third map.
    http://www.smashwords.com/books/down...d-of-texas.pdf

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Neither of these things say anything about ruining the Southern economy. Both are about Westward expansion.

    I don't know how a quote from one guy from Delaware says anything about New England's power grab. Delaware isn't a New England state, and if anything in 1803, they would have been more on the side of admitting more slave states, as Delaware was a slave state. Even though it says "Louisiana," the Louisiana Territory as added was much bigger than what became the state of Louisiana. He could have been as concerned about what is Iowa now.

    At any rate, making the leap from this to "See, they were out to destroy the South" is a HUGE stretch. Both of these quotes are more about East vs. West than they are North vs. South.
    These are just two quotes to show that it was in the New Englanders thinking that they were losing power and control. That fear goes all the way back to the begining of the country. This westward expansion would be an explosive issue prior to the War between the States. The balance of power as the North feared. This is what caused the many 'compromises'.

    So, these are only a couple of quotes showing you that regardless of slavery, the yankee feared losing control and losing money. Which I believe would cause them to decide to make war and conquer the South.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by JuanBatista View Post
    I'm from Texas as well, and agree. Any attempted secession, even if successful, would just lead to it becoming like Somalia or Lebanon, a fragmented failed nation that would be a magnet for terrorist bases. Instead of jihadists, these terrorists would be militias and white supremacists.

    What most people don't seem to realize is that Texas secessionists are virtually all white hardline conservatives, to the right of someone like Santorum. Those huge parts of Texas that are Latino would fight secession tooth and nail.

    Any secession would just lead to a shattered state looking like this, the third map.
    http://www.smashwords.com/books/down...d-of-texas.pdf
    not sure I buy into the speculation that Texas would turn to a jihadist ****hole if it seceded.

    it is possible that a very powerful economy could flourish from day 1.. and it's also possible that it could be a somalia-like ****storm of an economy... it's impossible to know which it would be.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Sure, many held the view that whites were superior. Not exactly uncommon for the time, but it was also fairly common in the North to believe that while blacks were "inferior," owning people as property was wrong.
    Yeah, funny how they got that idea after they sold all their slaves South. Oh the yankee loves to ride the moral high horse after he has been compensated.

    What hypocrits.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Texas is actually near the bottom in almost every index in the country, highest poverty rates, highest dropout rates, highest infant mortality. The only thing low is the taxes, and the two are related.

    The first thing that happens after independence is usually an economic slump caused by lack of confidence in the currency and lack of loans from elsewhere. No reason TX would be different. In fact the small govt mentality guarantees a tanked economy.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Apparently you've never put a pen to all of the things that a country has to financially manage. Just upgrading the military to one that could provide adequate protection (against the next American President)...a ton of money The education system alone would bankrupt Texas. Then there is those things in place such as Medicaid and Medicare. I can continue to list all of the things necessary, but not worth the time or finger energy. You'll have to put on your thinking cap.
    Not to mention the chaos from the loss of about a third of its territory and population in the immediate aftermath. Look at the third map.
    http://www.smashwords.com/books/down...d-of-texas.pdf

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quantrill View Post
    Yeah, funny how they got that idea after they sold all their slaves South. Oh the yankee loves to ride the moral high horse after he has been compensated.

    What hypocrits.

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    The north held slaves as well. When the feds took southern property, they confiscated slaves as property of the US government.
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    Evidence of that fact that the states prior to creating the constitution were free, independent, and sovereign states?
    So this means nothing to you?
    And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the Protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.

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    They did not give up any power. They delegated powers to the union. As sovereign states, they alone determine what powers they choose to exercise for themselves and which they choose to delegate to an agent.
    Did each one of them individually issue a Declaration of Independence from England? Did they each seek recognition from foreign powers? Or did they do these things as the United States of America?
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    We should let Texas go peacefully.

    Most Texans don't want to leave the US, esp Latinos. It's just the white hardline conservatives in the state where you find any substantial secession/treason sentiment.

    Any secession effort would leave a state looking like the third map in the link.
    http://www.smashwords.com/books/down...d-of-texas.pdf

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    The north held slaves as well. When the feds took southern property, they confiscated slaves as property of the US government.
    And these slaves could not be freed under the emacipation proclamation. The 'great emancipator' held these in slavery.

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