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    Re: Texas secession?

    A state is a geographic and political contrivance that can do nothing as it is not human and does not exist as a living thing. It is THE PEOPLE who the Constitution was created for and it is THE PEOPLE who created it.
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    A state is a geographic and political contrivance that can do nothing as it is not human and does not exist as a living thing. It is THE PEOPLE who the Constitution was created for and it is THE PEOPLE who created it.
    Wrong. Institutions are like living things (corporations, states, etc). Well, at least in jurisdiction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Wrong. Institutions are like living things (corporations, states, etc). Well, at least in jurisdiction.
    What baloney. A state is a place on a map. It is NOT a living thing independent and divorced from the human people that live in it.
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    A state is a place on a map.
    No, that's territory.
    A state is a political entity, created by humans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    Texas wasn't "invaded". It was annexed by the United States, and it wanted to be.
    False. It was invaded FIVE TIMES by US forces, prior to the Anglo American colonists.

    And Texas was never independent, any more than Chechnya is today. It had no legal right to ask to become part of the US.

    More than half the territory the insurgents claimed was never under the slightest bit of control by them. The "Texas Republic" claimed parts of Wyoming ferpetessake.

    Even the parts it OCCASIONALLY controlled, that was in large part due to ethnic cleansing of both the Native and Mexican population.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    No, that's territory.
    A state is a political entity, created by humans.
    And it is with the human citizens that the Constitution is addressed to.

    WE THE PEOPLE...... not we the states.
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    Re: Texas secession?

    See my answer to Mad Lib.

    And no, it was not. Its "independence" was not recognized by any nation, except kinda sorta France. France sent an ambassador who never got any closer than New Orleans.

    Most importantly, Mexico never recognized its independence, and the majority of loyal Mexican citizens living in the claimed area never wanted independence either.

    In fact, Texas's leaders didn't want independence. They asked for admission to the US only TWO DAYS after the start of their insurgency.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quantrill View Post
    The statement made was that the South fought to preserve slavery. That was a blanket statement. Easy to say. If a man is trying to rob me and I resist, some can say I fought just for money. That money was to provide for my family. without it I couldn't. Yet I fought just for money.
    It was one of the reasons, though. I don't necessarily blame them for wanting to divorce themselves from a government that may one day wish to remove their livelihood. Slavery was a big part of how the economic system of the South worked.

    The same for the North. Was slavery an issue? Of course. But not because they were concerned about the plight of the negroe, except some who were fanatical abolishonists. It was because it fueled the Southern economy. So, the North on the whole was against the Southern slavery hoping to hinder the Souths economy. Not because they wanted to free the black man.
    I have never once heard anyone say that Northerners went into the war hoping to destroy the South's economy. With the exception of Sherman's march, but that was a war measure during the war. Nobody wanted to destroy slavery because it was Southern that I have heard or read. There was definitely abolitionist sentiment in Union armies, but that was based on the idea that slavery was wrong. They weren't necessarily believers that blacks were equal either (so don't start with that), but definitely thought it was wrong to own other people.

    Do you have a source for this claim that the North entered the war to destroy the South?


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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quantrill View Post
    The same for the North. Was slavery an issue? Of course. But not because they were concerned about the plight of the negroe, except some who were fanatical abolishonists. It was because it fueled the Southern economy. So, the North on the whole was against the Southern slavery hoping to hinder the Souths economy. Not because they wanted to free the black man.
    Actually it was the Southern Aristocrats that was hindering progress for the entire Economy by opposing Tariffs, opposing internal improvements like the railroad, and opposing public education K-6.

    It was quite the Libertarian paradise in the South, for the Aristocrats.
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    A state is a geographic and political contrivance that can do nothing as it is not human and does not exist as a living thing. It is THE PEOPLE who the Constitution was created for and it is THE PEOPLE who created it.
    Of course. The term state is simply the word we use to describe the sovereign political society created by a group of people.

    When a state enters into a treaty or compact, nobody really believes that there is a living, breathing thing that does this. Most people recognize that when Denmark signs a treaty with Norway, there are not two imaginary entities interacting. It is the sovereign people of Denmark, acting through their duly elected representatives making an agreement with the sovereign people of Norway.

    Likewise, the constitution represents the sovereign people of Pennsylvania, New York, Virginia, etc. entering into a mutual compact the people of the other sovereign states. The federation is the result of this compact.

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