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    Re: Texas secession?

    The problem with something like this is how far the "independence" idea can stretch to. If Texas or any other state can secede from the U.S., then wouldn't it be the right of an individual to secede with his own property?

    Another issue is that people worry about "States Rights" all the time without much thought to our territories. Centinel sees that, if there was a civil war over Texas, that would turn Texas into an occupied territory, and he sees that as wrong; however, we do already own territories such as Puerto Rico, Guam, and American Samoa that do not have representation in Congress yet have to listen to federal law anyway.
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    The problem with something like this is how far the "independence" idea can stretch to. If Texas or any other state can secede from the U.S., then wouldn't it be the right of an individual to secede with his own property?
    Or have counties in one state try to secede and move to another state. I know that's a desire of many on the NM/TX border, and it's all going one direction.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    As far as I know, Texas has an exclusive right to succeed, it's negotiated before they joined the US. Right?
    This is purely an urban legend.

    Texas did get the unique right to break into as many as five states. This is because the invasion of Texas (often falsely claimed to be an independence movement) intended the state to be seized for more US slave states.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Hello, new to the forum and glad to be here. In fact it was this topic that brought me here.

    I've written more than little about this.
    Smashwords — The End of Texas — A book by Juan Batista
    "A bumbling Texas governor flirts with secession. Far right militias flock to his call and prepare for violence to bring about independence. A backlash from Indigenous Mexicans in Texas calls for the Aztlan Now movement, Mexicans wanting to secede FROM Texas and stay loyal to the US. Militias, Brown Power people, prison gangs, police, and FBI clash. From this comes new Mexican-majority US states."

    Anyone who imagines most Texans have ever wanted to secede doesn't know or understand Texas.
    Slightly more half of all whites in the state do, most conservatives do, and most Republicans do.
    But none of those groups are the majority in Texas anymore. The Latino population is the most fervently patriotic and opposed to such treasonous sentiment.
    Any attempt at secession would
    A) lead to violence
    B) lead to a backlash by the indigenous Mexican population and
    C) end in failure, and likely the breakup of the state.

    And as I pointed out in my previous post, the idea that Texas ever had any mythical right to secede, or was ever truly an independent nation, are both false.
    BTW, my book is free, for anyone interested to read in more depth on the subject.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by JuanBatista View Post
    This is purely an urban legend.

    Texas did get the unique right to break into as many as five states. This is because the invasion of Texas (often falsely claimed to be an independence movement) intended the state to be seized for more US slave states.
    Texas wasn't "invaded". It was annexed by the United States, and it wanted to be.
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville;1060514289The [URL="http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0074_0700_ZO.html"
    majority decision[/URL] as written by Chief Justice Salmon Chase had the following:
    Did you even notice his issue and mine and few others is with the accuracy of that ruling? What exactly makes you think people aren't aware of what it says?

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by JuanBatista View Post
    This is purely an urban legend.

    Texas did get the unique right to break into as many as five states. This is because the invasion of Texas (often falsely claimed to be an independence movement) intended the state to be seized for more US slave states.
    You do realize that for a short period, Texas was an independent nation following independence from Mexico, right?
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    It isn't "ruling over". If I recall, Texas has representation.
    It seem to me that if a state does not with to be a member of a federation but is forcibly prevented from exiting, then it is being ruled by the other member states, whether or not it gets to exercise its minority vote.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    The problem with something like this is how far the "independence" idea can stretch to. If Texas or any other state can secede from the U.S., then wouldn't it be the right of an individual to secede with his own property?
    Yes, this makes sense. If people want to govern themselves, I've go no problem with that.

    Another issue is that people worry about "States Rights" all the time without much thought to our territories. Centinel sees that, if there was a civil war over Texas, that would turn Texas into an occupied territory, and he sees that as wrong; however, we do already own territories such as Puerto Rico, Guam, and American Samoa that do not have representation in Congress yet have to listen to federal law anyway.
    These territories should be allowed their independence if they want it.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib
    The problem with something like this is how far the "independence" idea can stretch to. If Texas or any other state can secede from the U.S., then wouldn't it be the right of an individual to secede with his own property?
    Definitely. I'm not sure if you meant this as a rhetorical question but I absolutely believe that every person should be able to secede from any political chains. The only alternative is slavery; we are either free or we are not.

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