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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    The south fought the war to preserve slavery. The north fought the war to preserve the Union. Fighting a war and killing americans in order to preserve the right to own other people has to be one of the most despicable reasons anybody ever went to war. All the southern revisionist history sites in the world won't change that fact.
    Really? And what do you base that on?

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Succession, going to the very fabric of the nation, is way to big a deal for something like the tenth. Try again.
    It would be quite an odd thing for the revolutionaries to say that states cannot secede after just having seceded themselves from the English government.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quantrill View Post
    Really? And what do you base that on?

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    The fact that they said so

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    Re: Texas secession?

    ****'em one less state filled with assholes to worry about.
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quantrill View Post
    Thats exactly right. It is the people of the States as States that determined if the Constitution would be ratified. It was not the population of Americans at large. Because 'we the people' were the people of the individual sovereign states. Else there would have been no need for any ratification.

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    We see it differently.

    The Founders knew darn well that they needed a broader back home support for ratification and wisely mandated CONVENTIONS OF THE PEOPLE to achieve that goal.

    Too many folks on the right talk about STATES like they are some walking, talking. breathing entity that exists apart distinct and different than the real flesh and blood people who actually are the states.
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    ****'em one less state filled with assholes to worry about.
    Are they different than KY assholes? In my experience, KY has a much higher percentage in that category.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    While I do enjoy having this debate because it never seems to get old, I will only add that it is patently obvious how many of the politicians in Washington view the people of the United States: tax slaves.

    Excerpt from the Ex-PATRIOT Act submitted by Schumer and Casey:
    ... when an individual expatriates for a substantial tax purpose—as judged by the Internal Revenue Service—that individual will be subject to a 30% capital gains tax on future investment gains. ... if the IRS finds that avoidance of taxes was a substantial purpose of expatriation, the individual who renounced citizenship will be barred from any type of re-entry into the United States.
    I think that is pretty clear...

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    Explain, if you can.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    We see it differently.

    The Founders knew darn well that they needed a broader back home support for ratification and wisely mandated CONVENTIONS OF THE PEOPLE to achieve that goal.

    Too many folks on the right talk about STATES like they are some walking, talking. breathing entity that exists apart distinct and different than the real flesh and blood people who actually are the states.
    Ratification by the States or else it would not exist. If it had been for the people of the Unitied States as a whole, as a Nation, then no need for ratification of the States or anyone as the delegates in Philedlphia already represented the US. And when they finally voted on the Constitution they created, then that should have been it, if we the people were we the people of the Nation as a whole. But it wasn't it because we the people were the people of the States and so the States needed to ratify.

    Yeah, people like those who created the Constitution. Those types. States are a political and geographical body consisting of the people of that state. Its is part of our political makeup. You can't get away from it. The constitution was concerned with the powers to the State and those to the Central or Federal govt.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    It is telling that it is simply assumed that any movement toward self-rule will immediately met by invasion and conquest. It sort of dispels any fantasies that self-rule is a meaningful value in the minds of the American people. What we all seem to accept is "other-rule", which asserts, for instance, that the people of 49 states have some sort of divine right to rule over the 50th state. For the life of me, I just can't figure out why or how they believe this.
    It isn't "ruling over". If I recall, Texas has representation.
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