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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Article VI says that engagements made under the Articles still count. I would call the engagement into a "perpetual union" a rather important engagement. Now generally, I'd agree that the Articles were thrown out, but the Constitution specifically states that engagements made under the Articles still apply unless otherwise stated. So, your contention is either that the Constitution DID state otherwise, or that this engagement doesn't count.

    So I'll throw the Constitutional argument back to the pro-secessionists. Where is the language in the Constitution that negates the "perpetual union" put in place by "The Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union?"

    If the Constitution ever negated that part of the Articles, that would be different. I don't see that it did, therefore the "perpetual union" applied in 1860, as it does today.
    Are you suggesting that the Articles of Confederation still apply, since they were an engagement made prior to the constitution?

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    Some would think that peaceful secession and splitting up countries hasn't been done before. It's not as hard as people think it is.
    It is if the new state is warred upon by the jilted state. Hell has no fury like a government scorned, apparently.

    The lust to rule others has always been part of man's baser nature.
    Last edited by Centinel; 05-20-12 at 12:28 PM.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    Some would think that peaceful secession and splitting up countries hasn't been done before. It's not as hard as people think it is.
    Of course, when your neighbor is the united states and they want control of the oil wells they subsidized... and you have no standing army to stop the invasion from Mexico....

    You're f--cked.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I resent that statement.

    You wouldn't make such a generalized, broad-brush name-calling insult against a RACE... oh no, that wouldn't be PC.... but you feel free to make it against all inhabitants of a region.

    Hypocrisy.
    Yes, but that's because you have no choice over race. Being a redneck southerner constantly whining about the Federal government however is a matter of choice. Still can't get over Sherman and Grant, apparently.

    But I digress from the subject matter. By all means Texas should secede - and please take all of the other un-American whining states with you. I've already offered to help you all pack. I think its a great idea. All of you little independent Republics down there - kind of like a new version of central America!
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    Are you suggesting that the Articles of Confederation still apply, since they were an engagement made prior to the constitution?
    Except where changed by the Constitution, specific engagements apply. For example, debts to and alliance with France still applied. I say that perpetual union is one such engagement that was not negated in the Constitution.


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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    But it is the opinion of one man. That is undeniable fact.

    His opinion does not have the force of law. As such, it accounts for no more legal standing than any other persons views or opinions does.

    YOu want to pretend that the Constitution says something that it does not say. That is dishonest.
    That is what the constitution says. That is fact. 'We the people' mean we the people of the States.

    What are you saying 'We the people' refers to? Support it?

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    I don't see the big deal with Texas, or any states, choosing to leave the federation. But then again, I agree with phattonez that any people ought to be able to leave their current political unit and form their own commonwealth.
    Its called 'money'. The same reason they wouldn't let the Southern states secede.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Except where changed by the Constitution, specific engagements apply. For example, debts to and alliance with France still applied. I say that perpetual union is one such engagement that was not negated in the Constitution.
    If that were the case, would Article II still be in force?

    "Article II. Each state retains its sovereignty, freedom, and independence, and every Power, Jurisdiction, and right, which is not by this confederation expressly delegated to the United States, in Congress assembled."

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quantrill View Post
    Its called 'money'. The same reason they wouldn't let the Southern states secede.

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    Which is also part of why the secession failed. Jeff Davis was unable to muster the resources and troops to win. Money is also why they seceded, specifically that tariffs that they felt unfairly hit them hardest.


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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quantrill View Post
    Its called 'money'. The same reason they wouldn't let the Southern states secede.

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    Yup.

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