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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    In any event, it simply seems wrong for 49 states to deny a 50th its independence. If the people of Texas cannot leave the compact into which they voluntarily acceded, then that would mean that Texas is not a political state at all, but merely a conquered territory of the other 49 states.
    Texas is a state, not a nation. By the laws of the Constitution, the state is under the federal government in terms of level of authority. Texas agreed to return to the union after their treasonous joining of the Confederacy.

    If anything, Texas (and all the states of the southern Confederacy) should be on the record as being treasonous.

    Furthermore, if the dollar crashed, are you saying it would behoove Texas to leave the union and the dollar and start their own currency? How would that help?

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrillic View Post
    So if you enter US you cannot go on your own. Why does US then support Kosovo?
    Because we are a hypocritical nation. The US likes to see other countries or states secede from a larger empire. But they will never allow their own states to secede from them. The only answer is 'hypocrit'.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    In any event, it simply seems wrong for 49 states to deny a 50th its independence. If the people of Texas cannot leave the compact into which they voluntarily acceded, then that would mean that Texas is not a political state at all, but merely a conquered territory of the other 49 states.
    Texas and the other states of the Confederacy are part of the US due to being conquered. Its a Union by bayonet.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    It is telling that it is simply assumed that any movement toward self-rule will immediately met by invasion and conquest. It sort of dispels any fantasies that self-rule is a meaningful value in the minds of the American people. What we all seem to accept is "other-rule", which asserts, for instance, that the people of 49 states have some sort of divine right to rule over the 50th state. For the life of me, I just can't figure out why or how they believe this.
    It was never settled by a question of 'right' or 'legal'. It was settled by war. Might made the right. And were a state to try it again, the same thing would occur. Your free. Just don't try to leave.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quantrill View Post
    It was never settled by a question of 'right' or 'legal'. It was settled by war. Might made the right. And were a state to try it again, the same thing would occur. Your free. Just don't try to leave.
    How would the union survive if every state was free to come and go when it benefits them?

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    How would the union survive if every state was free to come and go when it benefits them?
    A Union of 50 wouldn't. 'Union' is not synonomonous with 'paradise'.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quantrill View Post
    A Union of 50 wouldn't. 'Union' is not synonomonous with 'paradise'.

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    Cause that's the point I was trying to make, that the current union is absolutely perfect, why would anyone want to leave?

    Sheeesh.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Howdy,

    Let's assume times get tough, the US dollar crashes or something of that magnitude. Would you mind Texas secession if they choose to?


    I tend to support the right of secession. The US has supported breakaway Russian republics and other secession efforts in other countries... so....

    Now legally, I don't know. Certainly if 2/3rds of the States decided to end the union that would be legal, as that's how the Constitution was ratified in the first place.

    Texas has a better legal position on this than most states, because it joined the country originally as an independent nation, the Lone Star Republic.

    But, I really doubt this is going to happen anyway, barring some really drastic events.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quantrill View Post
    Texas and the other states of the Confederacy are part of the US due to being conquered. Its a Union by bayonet.

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    AKA, an unsuccessful secession.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    Cause that's the point I was trying to make, that the current union is absolutely perfect, why would anyone want to leave?

    Sheeesh.
    Its not a question of why should anyone want to leave. Its a question of can they leave. Telling me I can't leave because its good for me, doesn't sound good to me.

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