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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    Correct. Although I think that images of a US invasion force occupying Texas might be all the more disturbing due to the tight integration between the people of Texas and the people of the remaining states. A lot of people have family, friends, and business contacts in Texas. To think that US forces are firing upon and killing those people would probably be extremely upsetting.
    And you don't think the people in Texas will have the same issues in mind when they cast this hypothetical vote to secede?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Sigh..wonderful dodge.
    Because I will not indulge your whim and point out the factual reason why, you deem it a dodge because it serves your own agenda.

    Amazing.
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    Re: Texas secession?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    They would still be in North America. If they quit the union, then of course they would not longer a member of the USA, but they would remain our fellow Americans.
    And when people in the USA use the term "fellow Americans" do you think that is what they are talking about for them most part?
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    And you don't think the people in Texas will have the same issues in mind when they cast this hypothetical vote to secede?
    It's early, and I've only had half a pot of coffee, but I'm not sure I follow your question.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    He is one man. One man of 55. One man of 39. We do NOT hold the opinion of any one man above the entire document.

    We know that people from the states ratified the Constitution. Is there some dispute about this?
    One man who explained to Patrick Henry and others what 'we the people' means. ' We the people of the soverign states' That is what it means. You can't get around it.

    No, no dispute at all. The states had to ratify the Constitution in order for it to be implemented as law over them. The States have the sovereignty. As the 10th ammendment says, certain powers were 'delegated'. Not surrendered. Delegated. All others remain to the States.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And when people in the USA use the term "fellow Americans" do you think that is what they are talking about for them most part?
    No, I don't think so. But I do think that they would consider Texans as their fellow Americans. Well, I guess I can only speak for myself. I have friends and relatives there, so I would continue to consider them friend and fellow Americans. The thought of them being invaded by US forces would be horrible.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    No, I don't think so. But I do think that they would consider Texans as their fellow Americans. Well, I guess I can only speak for myself. I have friends and relatives there, so I would continue to consider them friend and fellow Americans. The thought of them being invaded by US forces would be horrible.
    They day they turn tail and quit being part of the USA is the day they cease to being my fellow Americans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quantrill View Post
    One man who explained to Patrick Henry and others what 'we the people' means. ' We the people of the soverign states' That is what it means. You can't get around it.

    No, no dispute at all. The states had to ratify the Constitution in order for it to be implemented as law over them. The States have the sovereignty. As the 10th ammendment says, certain powers were 'delegated'. Not surrendered. Delegated. All others remain to the States.

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    Patrick Henry was free to listen to anybody he wanted to listen to. So are you and I.

    It is funny and not a little bit sad the way the right refers to THE STATES as if they were some actual living breathing entity that is somehow different and distinct and divorced from the actual people - human beings - citizens who live in that man made legal convenience.
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    So what part of the Constitution declares that part of the Articles invalid? If it had ever been meant for a state to be allowed to leave, that would have likely been written in the same way becoming a state was.

    Yes, it's talking about engagements that were made before the Constitution. Among them, the engagement of the 13 states into a Union.
    All of the Ariticles are done away with because a unanamous vote to change them was required. Which couldn't be gotten because N. Carolina and Rhode Island wouldn't show up. Thus no change could be made. Soloution? Chunk em out the window and make another. And so they did.

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