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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    My bigger fear is that those people would become "the other" and there would be some popularized brutality since it involves the homeland.
    A lot would depend on the sentiment of the people in Texas. Just because some majority of the people that voted decided it was a good idea doesn't mean that's representative of the State as a whole. Only 45% turned out to vote in the last presidential election and only 71% are registered at all. So if 51% of the registered voters OK'ed it, that would only be about 36% of the voting age population.

    In any event there will be some large percent who don't want to secede who would also be with US, so it wouldn't be just "US" and "them".

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Do you mean still be in North America or North and South America or the United States of America?
    They would still be in North America. If they quit the union, then of course they would not longer a member of the USA, but they would remain our fellow Americans.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    I would probably support succession if both the state of texas and the rest of the country both approved by popular vote, either directly or through their representatives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    Of course they'd still be fellow Americans, since they would still be in America.
    Then Mexicans are "fellow Americans" as well? I'll be sure to remember that the next political speech I hear out of Texas complaining about the immigration problem.
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Did any states secede in 1814? Don't think so.
    It was said that no one had considered secession before. The Hartford convention proves otherwise.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Then Mexicans are "fellow Americans" as well? I'll be sure to remember that the next political speech I hear out of Texas complaining about the immigration problem.
    You mean the illegal immigration problem?
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Then Mexicans are "fellow Americans" as well?
    Correct. Although I think that images of a US invasion force occupying Texas might be all the more disturbing due to the tight integration between the people of Texas and the people of the remaining states. A lot of people have family, friends, and business contacts in Texas. To think that US forces are firing upon and killing those people would probably be extremely upsetting.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    You're not paying attention. According to Article VI of the Constitution, engagements entered into under the Articles are still in force, unless specifically contradicted in the Constitution. Under the "Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union," the states entered into a perpetual union that was not rescinded by the Constitution.

    It sucks when history and reality don't jive with the voices in your head, doesn't it?
    Sorry, your not paying attention. Your under a different Constitution. Ariticle 6 speaks to debts and engagements entered before the Constitution of 1787 will be as valid as they were under the Cofederation. This doesn't speak to any perpetual union. Note how that language was left out of the Constitution of 1787. Why? Because they threw that perpetual union out the window.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    You mean the illegal immigration problem?
    Americans bitch about both.
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Apparently, it was a big help. It worked. The white American residents of Texas wanted to be part of the United States, independence was never meant as a permanent solution for Texas, just a step on the way.

    BTW, your declartations of "Bull****" and "you don't know what your [sic] talking about" don't make it so.
    The US gave Texas no help in its fight for independence.

    The white Americans were Mexican citizens of Mexico not Texas.

    More bull.

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