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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    If they go, I wish they would take their sister states, Arizona and both Carolina's. Would be a healthier America.
    Whoa whoa whoa. I'll give you SC, but NC is legit.
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    Here's a thought experiment. Rhode Island sent no delegates to the constitutional convention, and they were the very last state to ratify. Here's a big "What if". What if Rhode Island had never ratified the constitution? What would you say its status would be? It seems to me that it would have remained an independent, sovereign country. Agree, disagree?
    It's just a thought experiment. Since it's not actually reality, it doesn't really have any currency here.

    It depends on what you mean by independent and sovereign. Those words at the time meant you were able to defend your own borders and control your own currency. Today, neither of those things it true for Germany, France, Italy...yet we consider them sovereign states, right? Assuming Rhode Island could have remained outside of the United States, it's doubtful that they could have defended themselves. When the British came back in 1812, they likely would have exploited the weakness, and it's doubtful that Rhode Island by itself could have held off the British for more than an afternoon. So calling Rhode Island in any sense sovereign by the rules of the 18th Century is not really accurate.

    What about those states that never were independent in any sense? To name the ones that actually did secede, Alabama, Mississippi, Florida, Arkansas and Louisiana. These states went from being the possession of a European colonial power, to non-state territories of the United States, to states. If they had not "ratified the Constitution" they would have remained just that --territories, not states.


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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Are you really serious with this?

    It is talking about engagements that are still standing that were made before the constitution. The articles would therefore be no longer standing and invalid. Don't even try the debt crap either. The debt situation didn't change and was still standing and WAS respected.

    Get serious with your arguments before you declare victory.
    So what part of the Constitution declares that part of the Articles invalid? If it had ever been meant for a state to be allowed to leave, that would have likely been written in the same way becoming a state was.

    Yes, it's talking about engagements that were made before the Constitution. Among them, the engagement of the 13 states into a Union.


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    After all the crap that happened with Mexico before, during, and after their admission into the Union?!?!?
    Not just NO, but HELL NO!

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    It did then yes. However, I wonder whether with our current round the clock video news cycle the people of the 49 remaining states would support such an occupation. I wonder whether they would have the stomach for the violence that would necessary to subjugate their fellow Americans.
    The thing is, if they decided to secede they wouldn't be "fellow Americans" now, would they?
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    After all the crap that happened with Mexico before, during, and after their admission into the Union?!?!?
    Not just NO, but HELL NO!

    The thing is, if they decided to secede they wouldn't be "fellow Americans" now, would they?
    My bigger fear is that those people would become "the other" and there would be some popularized brutality since it involves the homeland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    That is where you step up and show how its wrong. At least Rocket stepped up even if he thought the Articles were still standing.
    You do not seem to grasp that I could not care less what an individual believes. It matters not to me. It is irrelevant to me and I would not waste one brain cell debating it - particularly as the individual in question is not available for debate.
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    It depends on what you mean by independent and sovereign. Those words at the time meant you were able to defend your own borders and control your own currency. Today, neither of those things it true for Germany, France, Italy...yet we consider them sovereign states, right? Assuming Rhode Island could have remained outside of the United States, it's doubtful that they could have defended themselves. When the British came back in 1812, they likely would have exploited the weakness, and it's doubtful that Rhode Island by itself could have held off the British for more than an afternoon. So calling Rhode Island in any sense sovereign by the rules of the 18th Century is not really accurate.
    So they would have been sovereign, but militarily weak. As you say, they might have ended up being conquered.

    This makes sense to me. The sovereignty of Rhode Island (along with the other colonies) was recognized by the treaty of Paris, so it's clear that at some point the colonies became sovereign countries. Additionally, under their articles of confederation each of these countries retained its sovereignty. They then ditched the articles and entered into a new compact.

    Nowhere along the line do I see any of the states relinquishing their sovereignty. Yes, they delegated some of their authority to their agent, the union, but entering into a treaty with other countries does not signal that a country relinquishes its sovereignty.

    What about those states that never were independent in any sense? To name the ones that actually did secede, Alabama, Mississippi, Florida, Arkansas and Louisiana. These states went from being the possession of a European colonial power, to non-state territories of the United States, to states. If they had not "ratified the Constitution" they would have remained just that --territories, not states.
    I would agree.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    After all the crap that happened with Mexico before, during, and after their admission into the Union?!?!?
    Not just NO, but HELL NO!

    The thing is, if they decided to secede they wouldn't be "fellow Americans" now, would they?
    Of course they'd still be fellow Americans, since they would still be in America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    Of course they'd still be fellow Americans, since they would still be in America.
    Do you mean still be in North America or North and South America or the United States of America?
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You do not seem to grasp that I could not care less what an individual believes. It matters not to me. It is irrelevant to me and I would not waste one brain cell debating it - particularly as the individual in question is not available for debate.
    Sigh..wonderful dodge.

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