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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quantrill View Post
    Really? Hartford Convention of 1814. And look, it is New England states that are considering secession.

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    Did any states secede in 1814? Don't think so.


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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quantrill View Post
    That 'perpetual union' wasn't so perpetual was it. Since in 1787 they threw the aricles of Confederation out the window and created a new one.

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    You're not paying attention. According to Article VI of the Constitution, engagements entered into under the Articles are still in force, unless specifically contradicted in the Constitution. Under the "Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union," the states entered into a perpetual union that was not rescinded by the Constitution.

    It sucks when history and reality don't jive with the voices in your head, doesn't it?


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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quantrill View Post
    Oh. I see. Texas couln't have won its independence without the US moral support. Big help.

    In other words, you don't know what your talking about.

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    Apparently, it was a big help. It worked. The white American residents of Texas wanted to be part of the United States, independence was never meant as a permanent solution for Texas, just a step on the way.

    BTW, your declartations of "Bull****" and "you don't know what your [sic] talking about" don't make it so.


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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    You're not paying attention. According to Article VI of the Constitution, engagements entered into under the Articles are still in force, unless specifically contradicted in the Constitution. Under the "Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union," the states entered into a perpetual union that was not rescinded by the Constitution.

    It sucks when history and reality don't jive with the voices in your head, doesn't it?
    Here's a thought experiment. Rhode Island sent no delegates to the constitutional convention, and they were the very last state to ratify. Here's a big "What if". What if Rhode Island had never ratified the constitution? What would you say its status would be? It seems to me that it would have remained an independent, sovereign country. Agree, disagree?

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    Here's a thought experiment. Rhode Island sent no delegates to the constitutional convention, and they were the very last state to ratify. Here's a big "What if". What if Rhode Island had never ratified the constitution? What would you say its status would be? It seems to me that it would have remained an independent, sovereign country. Agree, disagree?
    I see where you are going. He won't see it though.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quantrill View Post
    One man who framed the Constitution. Who was responsible for those words your reading. Thus he knows. States are soverign.

    Why don't you answer the question as to who ratified? Scared? If your scared, say your scared.

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    He is one man. One man of 55. One man of 39. We do NOT hold the opinion of any one man above the entire document.

    We know that people from the states ratified the Constitution. Is there some dispute about this?
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    You do know that how you would win this is find an important document that proves Madison wrong, yes?

    We can all wait for your findings.
    Since Madison is NOT the final authority on this and his opinion is merely his opinion one need not go any further than that.
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by dabateman View Post

    As do the Articles of Confederation and the Jefferson Papers and the Federalist Papers...



    Because, if you're looking for guidance and understanding of the document, you have to realize that it wasn't written in a vacuum. The Constitution is a document of compromise and thus often written in generalities and intentional vagueness.
    The Constitution itself is infinitely more important than any other writing about it in which an individual gives us their opinion. And the Preamble is part of the official Constitution.

    And yes, some of it it is written in generalities and vagueness. And that is but one reason why we still debate it.
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    You're not paying attention. According to Article VI of the Constitution, engagements entered into under the Articles are still in force, unless specifically contradicted in the Constitution. Under the "Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union," the states entered into a perpetual union that was not rescinded by the Constitution.

    It sucks when history and reality don't jive with the voices in your head, doesn't it?
    Are you really serious with this?

    It is talking about engagements that are still standing that were made before the constitution. The articles would therefore be no longer standing and invalid. Don't even try the debt crap either. The debt situation didn't change and was still standing and WAS respected.

    Get serious with your arguments before you declare victory.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Since Madison is NOT the final authority on this and his opinion is merely his opinion one need not go any further than that.
    That is where you step up and show how its wrong. At least Rocket stepped up even if he thought the Articles were still standing.

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