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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by dabateman View Post
    So do the Articles of Confederation, but they're not law either. Neither are Jefferson's papers or any of the like. The law, the actual substance, begins with Article I. Besides. I didn't say it wasn't important. I said it wasn't the law.

    But go ahead and try to ignore that...
    The Constitution starts with the first letter of the first word. It opens with a detailed explanation of the reasons for its writing and the scope of government.

    If you do not like it, amend the document to get rid of it. But please do not try to pretend it is not important or part of the document.
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Again, your quote from one individual is NOT IN THE CONSTITUTION. Thank you.
    The preamble is part of the Constitution. The preamble speaks to 'we the people of the States'. State sovereignty.

    Who ratified the Constitution?

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    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The Constitution starts with the first letter of the first word. It opens with a detailed explanation of the reasons for its writing and the scope of government.

    If you do not like it, amend the document to get rid of it. But please do not try to pretend it is not important or part of the document.
    You're shifting the goal posts. A typical liars move to evade.

    I didn't say the preamble wasn't important (though you still insist this my position. Liar). I said it wasn't the law. The law begins with Article 1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So it is an important part when you want it to be an important part. But others on your side in this same thread see it it as just a bunch of ideas when they don't want it to be an important part.

    Got it.
    Madison was one of the main framers of the Constitution, if not the main one. His explantion suffices to show that the states retain their soverignty. Who ratified?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dabateman View Post
    You're shifting the goal posts. A typical liars move to evade.

    I didn't say the preamble wasn't important (though you still insist this my position. Liar). I said it wasn't the law. The law begins with Article 1.
    Well I can sleep easier tonight with the knowledge that the Preamble now has your blessing as important.

    So after that is established - so what? We still have the Preamble there as a part of the Constitution and it helps us the rest of the document as it tells us what the purpose of it what and what the scope of our government is.

    Why is it that some want to use private musings of individuals that ARE NOT part of the Constitution to help explain it but are loathe to use the actual Constitution itself where ALL the Founders tell us what the scope of government is?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quantrill View Post
    Madison was one of the main framers of the Constitution, if not the main one. His explantion suffices to show that the states retain their soverignty. Who ratified?

    Your welcome.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    He is one man. He has a right to his opinion.
    One man who framed the Constitution. Who was responsible for those words your reading. Thus he knows. States are soverign.

    Why don't you answer the question as to who ratified? Scared? If your scared, say your scared.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    He is one man. He has a right to his opinion.
    You do know that how you would win this is find an important document that proves Madison wrong, yes?

    We can all wait for your findings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Well I can sleep easier tonight with the knowledge that the Preamble now has your blessing as important.
    A false controversy you created.

    So after that is established - so what?
    So what is that you can't quote the Preamble as if it's law... I mean, you can, but you'd be wrong.

    We still have the Preamble there as a part of the Constitution and it helps us the rest of the document as it tells us what the purpose of it what and what the scope of our government is.
    As do the Articles of Confederation and the Jefferson Papers and the Federalist Papers...

    Why is it that some want to use private musings of individuals that ARE NOT part of the Constitution to help explain it but are loathe to use the actual Constitution itself where ALL the Founders tell us what the scope of government is?
    Because, if you're looking for guidance and understanding of the document, you have to realize that it wasn't written in a vacuum. The Constitution is a document of compromise and thus often written in generalities and intentional vagueness.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    It was covered by the tenth. Stop acting like it wasn't covered.

    The preamble gives no power and it is talking about the PEOPLE in that part used in Texas v White. Is this really this hard to understand? I mean really, is it?
    Succession, going to the very fabric of the nation, is way to big a deal for something like the tenth. Try again.

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