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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quantrill View Post
    A pledge is just a pledge. Its not a constitution.

    Concerning the preamble to the Constitution, James Madison said when wanting to remove any doubt as to the phrase 'we the people', " Who are parties to it [the Constitution]? The people---but not the people as composing one great body; but the people as composing thirteen sovereignties..."

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    Where in the Constitution is this mention of "thirteen sovereignties"?
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    "To form a more perfect union"
    Which....gives no power.


    The pledge of alligience says: "....one nation, under God, INDIVISBLE...."

    Apparently, you didn't you understand what you've been pledging to most of your life.


    It was created in 1892 which would obviously make it AFTER the civil war and Texas v. White. There is little doubt it WOULD support the ruling.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You wanna leave - leave.
    But first pay us. We don't like it when you just leave with your property. Understand?

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I see this as a case of the constitution being flawed. It should have addressed this question specifically and because it didn't we are stuck debating this topic that has no real legal answer. It could equally be yes or no.
    It was covered by the tenth. Stop acting like it wasn't covered.

    The preamble gives no power and it is talking about the PEOPLE in that part used in Texas v White. Is this really this hard to understand? I mean really, is it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    But first pay us. We don't like it when you just leave with your property. Understand?

    Did I do it right?
    Pay you for what ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    It was covered by the tenth. Stop acting like it wasn't covered.

    The preamble gives no power and it is talking about the PEOPLE in that part used in Texas v white. Is this really this hard to understand? I mean really, is it?
    The Preamble is part of the official US Constitution. In it, the 55 men who wrote it and the 39 who signed it tell us very specifically why the wrote it and what they envision the scope of government is. They are the most important words to understand everything that follows.
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Pay you for what ?
    Hey you are the guy that supports current law on paying the government when you leave, not me so thatquestion is for you to answer. What are they paying you for when they want out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The Preamble is part of the official US Constitution. In it, the 55 men who wrote it and the 39 who signed it tell us very specifically why the wrote it and what they envision the scope of government is. They are the most important words to understand everything that follows.
    haymarket just blew my mind with stating the obvious. Next he will tell me where babies come from.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Where in the Constitution is this mention of "thirteen sovereignties"?
    I just gave you a quote from Madison one of the main figures in the creation of the Constitution.

    Who ratified the Constitution? The people, or the States?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Hey you are the guy that supports current law on paying the government when you leave, not me so thatquestion is for you to answer. What are they paying you for when they want out?
    I have no idea what you are talking about. It is obvious that neither do you. Any person who wants to leave the USA may do so.

    Why does anybody need to "pay you" when you do so? And what exactly are they paying you for?
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