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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    No, you're one of the leach states - ones that take in more than they pay out. You and most of the rest of the redneck south.
    wow man, wiggen I would have thought more of you than to make this statement...that is untrue

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    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    wow man, wiggen I would have thought more of you than to make this statement...that is untrue
    not entirely...

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    That's the overly simplified romanticized verision, but they had the full non-military support of the US. No troops, but plenty of support. Crack a book on the subject.
    Oh. I see. Texas couln't have won its independence without the US moral support. Big help.

    In other words, you don't know what your talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Foley View Post
    That clause you quoted means Jack.
    So the ratification process and documents mean nothing to you. Understandable. They meant nothing to the North in 1861 either.

    So, whose the traitors to the Constitution. Ummm.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Ok, here's why it's unconstituional

    . Article VI, US Constitution

    The formal name of the Articles of Conferation is "The Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union." Since the States entered into a perpetual union with the Articles, that "Engagement" is still valid under the Constitution.
    That 'perpetual union' wasn't so perpetual was it. Since in 1787 they threw the aricles of Confederation out the window and created a new one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    The Articles were long before Lincoln. There was no argument along those lines because nobody tried to secede before that, so it was a moot point. To say that the argument was never made before is like saying "Nobody thought Obamacare was unconstitutional in 1980."

    It wasn't an issue before that, so yes, nobody used the idea until they needed to. Because it wasn't necessary back then.
    Really? Hartford Convention of 1814. And look, it is New England states that are considering secession.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    I see this as a case of the constitution being flawed. It should have addressed this question specifically and because it didn't we are stuck debating this topic that has no real legal answer. It could equally be yes or no.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by OnWisconsin View Post
    I think he's referring to him writing millions of people off as "rednecks", which I take great offense to.
    I love the NSA. It's like having a secret fan-base you will never see, but they're there, watching everything you write and it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside knowing that I may be some person's only form of unconstitutional entertainment one night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    You'd best be careful about who you're wanting to leave, as we are likely the ones paying a huge chunk of the bills.
    You wanna leave - leave.
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    "To form a more perfect union"

    I think the point is the states aren't "sovereign" and never were. Some of the states might have thought they were, but the Civil War proved them wrong. The federal government has supremacy over the states and always has.

    "the union...the Court said, "never was a purely artificial and arbitrary relation." Rather, "It began among the Colonies. ...It was confirmed and strengthened by the necessities of war, and received definite form, and character, and sanction from the Articles of Confederation..."
    Secession in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The pledge of alligience says: "....one nation, under God, INDIVISBLE...."

    Apparently, you didn't you understand what you've been pledging to most of your life.
    A pledge is just a pledge. Its not a constitution.

    Concerning the preamble to the Constitution, James Madison said when wanting to remove any doubt as to the phrase 'we the people', " Who are parties to it [the Constitution]? The people---but not the people as composing one great body; but the people as composing thirteen sovereignties..."

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