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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Something tells me that when that balance sheet is added up, Texas would come out on the short end.

    Perhaps. Did the USA repay Britain for all the money spent building early America, after we seceeded from the British Empire? I've never run across any info that we did...

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    The Articles were long before Lincoln. There was no argument along those lines because nobody tried to secede before that, so it was a moot point. To say that the argument was never made before is like saying "Nobody thought Obamacare was unconstitutional in 1980."

    It wasn't an issue before that, so yes, nobody used the idea until they needed to. Because it wasn't necessary back then.
    They did think of the issue and the many of the founders were actually for making it illegal, but they lost and it never made it into the articles or the constitution.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    You'd best be careful about who you're wanting to leave, as we are likely the ones paying a huge chunk of the bills.
    No, you're one of the leach states - ones that take in more than they pay out. You and most of the rest of the redneck south.
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    To Texas I say, don't let the door...

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    No, you're one of the leach states - ones that take in more than they pay out. You and most of the rest of the redneck south.
    Really, you don't know what you're talking about...



    As you can see, the majority of the south are actually "donor" states.
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Perhaps. Did the USA repay Britain for all the money spent building early America, after we seceeded from the British Empire? I've never run across any info that we did...
    The federal government took responsibility for the debts of the colonies.
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    No, you're one of the leach states - ones that take in more than they pay out. You and most of the rest of the redneck south.

    I resent that statement.

    You wouldn't make such a generalized, broad-brush name-calling insult against a RACE... oh no, that wouldn't be PC.... but you feel free to make it against all inhabitants of a region.

    Hypocrisy.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    I personally don't mind if Texas secedes, but I can see dangers to the US if it does. There would be the danger of the federal government being seen as weak if they allow this to happen. There would be the danger of other States following Texas's lead and attempting to secede as well.
    Yepp, if they sure would.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Bringing up the Soviet Union spawns another point...why would Texas want to secede? More to the point, what conditions would have to be present to cause Texas to want to secede?
    Well, imagine Texas is no longer pleased about Washington DC "following" the Constitution. They may decide to go their own way.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Consider the Soviet Union. Now, I haven't studied the reasons for their collapse, but it's my impression that rather than their currency collapsing or something along those lines, the main reason for the Soviet Statess secessions was to get out from under oppression. I think something along THOSE lines would be sufficient justification...but I don't see evidence of that kind of oppression.
    There is one MAJOR difference though - the USA was built from within (the Constitutions as the nucleus of the country) and the USSR was built from the outside, as an empire oppressing and ruling different ethnic nations, trying to join them together (much as the EU now). Most of the Americans joined America after the Constitution, most of the soviet people woke up with a Constitution they never chose (it was imposed on them).
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    Maybe it wouldn't. But one would hope that it would provide enough of a benefit to make people want to remain members. There are valid reasons for states to form federations, so maybe the union wouldn't disappear. It might just get reshuffled somewhat, or broken up into two or three neighbor federations.

    My position is that it is the right of the people of each sovereign state to decide into what compacts and treaties they wish to engage.
    "To form a more perfect union"

    I think the point is the states aren't "sovereign" and never were. Some of the states might have thought they were, but the Civil War proved them wrong. The federal government has supremacy over the states and always has.

    "the union...the Court said, "never was a purely artificial and arbitrary relation." Rather, "It began among the Colonies. ...It was confirmed and strengthened by the necessities of war, and received definite form, and character, and sanction from the Articles of Confederation..."
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I resent that statement.

    You wouldn't make such a generalized, broad-brush name-calling insult against a RACE... oh no, that wouldn't be PC.... but you feel free to make it against all inhabitants of a region.

    Hypocrisy.
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