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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    Oh yay, small business will save us by producing a fraction of the resources we require. As I said, it's not about the government, it's about nobody in the union doing business with us.
    What don't you understand about this? Resources don't come from the government. They come from people. People will invest in the state if the government funding is gone. Do you not understand how an economy works?

    Hooray, we get BP... if they continue business with us. I don't know if you've noticed this, but the world has changed a lot since the 1860's.
    England actually traded more with the US than they ever did before the revolution.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    As a Native Texan I can tell you that it will never happen...EVEN IF it were 100% legal, no hassle from the Federal government. It would be economically impossible for Texas to secede. While Texas does have many natural resource, it couldn't afford an adequate military and Texas ranks among the worst states in the nation for education. I would become much worse. I can think of a whole lot of reason Texas couldn't pull out of the union. But, I'll leave it here. Let your critical thinking skills be your guide. Hint: Just think of all the types of expenses it take to run a country.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    What don't you understand about this? Resources don't come from the government. They come from people. People will invest in the state if the government funding is gone. Do you not understand how an economy works?
    What don't you understand that I'm not talking about the federal government? Other states that we rely on will not do trade with us. The majority of our resources do not come from Texas. One does not simply walk away from the Federal Union.



    England actually traded more with the US than they ever did before the revolution.
    And we are well beyond the 19th century. We have this thing called a global economy now, England isn't going to risk damaging relations with the US by supporting a secessionist state.
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    What don't you understand that I'm not talking about the federal government? Other states that we rely on will not do trade with us. The majority of our resources do not come from Texas. One does not simply walk away from the Federal Union.




    And we are well beyond the 19th century. We have this thing called a global economy now, England isn't going to risk damaging relations with the US by supporting a secessionist state.
    if succession is attempted in the same manner as it was last time.. Texas was be screwed, for many of the reason cited around here... it would be bloody and unproductive

    if they chose a different route, say consent of the states, it's entirely feasible that trade could be normalized as part of the exit negotiation.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    if succession is attempted in the same manner as it was last time.. Texas was be screwed, for many of the reason cited around here... it would be bloody and unproductive

    if they chose a different route, say consent of the states, it's entirely feasible that trade could be normalized as part of the exit negotiation.
    I don't know man, I don't think it's going to be that easy. The US has a lot on us, including our share in the national debt. We'd have to pay that back, on top of other things. I'm also sure people would leave by the thousands, and that's minimal damage. Then we have the Mexico issue. Trade could be worked out to some degree, but I don't think it would be enough. Texas isn't very well received in the majority of states, and even less abroad. It's in our best interest to stay with the Union.
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    I don't know man, I don't think it's going to be that easy. The US has a lot on us, including our share in the national debt. We'd have to pay that back, on top of other things. I'm also sure people would leave by the thousands, and that's minimal damage. Then we have the Mexico issue. Trade could be worked out to some degree, but I don't think it would be enough. Texas isn't very well received in the majority of states, and even less abroad. It's in our best interest to stay with the Union.
    i'm just fleshing out ways to do it... not making an argument that we should

    there are certainly benefits to being in the union, no doubt...... protection from Mexico isn't really one of them though

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrillic View Post
    So if you enter US you cannot go on your own. Why does US then support Kosovo?
    Well, if and when Texans start a genocidal ethnic cleansing against certain races and/or religions, then I expect that military troops would be sent in and the US would be bombing Texas.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    Because you say so?

    As regards Goshin's question the only moral problem I can think of is how the rest of the U.S could be repaid for all the money it put into Texas's infrastructure, agriculture subsidies etc. Not that its an insurmountable problem just one that would need thinking about.

    I figured someone would say something like, how is Texas going to repay all the money the Fedgov put into it.


    Reverse the question. How is the Fedgov going to repay the Lone Star Republic for all the tax revenues they've taken from same for the past hundred years?

    It works both ways.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    This country is the of its citizens, not some subset of them. Thats the moral justification.

    So the citizens of Delaware have just as much right to tell people in Texas what they can and can't do, as those who live in Texas.


    It doesn't wash. If that were the moral justification, then the USA had no right to seceed from Britain.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    i'm just fleshing out ways to do it... not making an argument that we should

    there are certainly benefits to being in the union, no doubt...... protection from Mexico isn't really one of them though
    Well, we do lose the federal Border Patrol if we secede, which puts the burden on Texas. I shudder to think what Perry would do without the Fed telling him to get ****ed on his more "eccentric" ideas. Also, I suddenly realize that we'd be stuck with Rick Perry as el presidente. I don't even want to think what kind of government structure he would concoct in absence of a Supreme Court, and a Constitution that protects the Rights of the People.
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