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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    That is an excellent question. How would the people in the other 49 states feel about conquering the state of Texas and maintaining an army of occupation there? I certainly would not support sending the youth of my Commonwealth to conquer and occupy another American state.
    It worked well enough after the civil war.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    It would be a matter entirely for the people of Texas, but it might be bloody. If they had the will to secede and to militarily repel federal attempts to prevent it, they'd be entitled to their independence. Independence usually involves a degree of war and bloodshed, doesn't it? Not always, but usually.
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    It worked well enough after the civil war.
    It did then yes. However, I wonder whether with our current round the clock video news cycle the people of the 49 remaining states would support such an occupation. I wonder whether they would have the stomach for the violence that would necessary to subjugate their fellow Americans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    It would be a matter entirely for the people of Texas, but it might be bloody. If they had the will to secede and to militarily repel federal attempts to prevent it, they'd be entitled to their independence. Independence usually involves a degree of war and bloodshed, doesn't it? Not always, but usually.
    It is telling that it is simply assumed that any movement toward self-rule will immediately met by invasion and conquest. It sort of dispels any fantasies that self-rule is a meaningful value in the minds of the American people. What we all seem to accept is "other-rule", which asserts, for instance, that the people of 49 states have some sort of divine right to rule over the 50th state. For the life of me, I just can't figure out why or how they believe this.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    It would be a matter entirely for the people of Texas, but it might be bloody. If they had the will to secede and to militarily repel federal attempts to prevent it, they'd be entitled to their independence. Independence usually involves a degree of war and bloodshed, doesn't it? Not always, but usually.
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    If you perceive the US government as some evil tyrant who like to keeps everybody under his thumb, then yes, independence would mean war and bloodshed.
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    Re: Texas secession?

    No. Secession is explicitly forbidden by the constitution. We had this discussion a long time again and it's a settled issue. Secession is illegal.
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Howdy,

    Let's assume times get tough, the US dollar crashes or something of that magnitude. Would you mind Texas secession if they choose to?

    nope, wouldn't mind at all.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    If you perceive the US government as some evil tyrant who like to keep everybody under his thumb, then yes, independence would mean war and bloodshed.
    This perception seems to be justified, given the federal government's actions. It's sad that the government of a free people exhibits such predatory behavior.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    And if the people of Texas voted to do this, what would they be giving up? And what would they have to pay for?
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    It worked well enough after the civil war.
    Reconstruction was the tragedy that created a divisive bitterness that still lingers. "Well enough" isn't the right term.

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