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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quantrill View Post
    Union by bayonet. Not constitution.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Tell that to the Confederate States of America
    I didn't say that other people see it that way. I said that's the way I see it. I see the states as sovereign states united under a voluntary compact, while many, probably most, see the states as provinces under a unitary government.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    Opinion, not fact.
    Fact. Via the War between the States and the changing of the Constitution.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    What would you do if they did democratically voted for secession? Occupy them and install a puppet government?

    It would be quite a different set of circumstances to the Civil War.
    I'd wave them goodbye, knowing the United States would be an infinitely better place to live without them. My joy would be complete if they could take the rest of the un-americans with them.
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Howdy,

    Let's assume times get tough, the US dollar crashes or something of that magnitude. Would you mind Texas secession if they choose to?

    The answer to your question is not only would I not mind, I'd help them pack. And times don't even have to get tough. Just leave.
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    The answer to your question is not only would I not mind, I'd help them pack. And times don't even have to get tough. Just leave.
    I applaud you on your statement. You are one of the few here who would allow another state to leave in peace. Good on ya.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post

    Since I've been doing this for a while and need to leave, for now I'll only ask one thing of you, then I'll try to address you later on.

    What would be some unintended consequences of every state reserving the right to become it's own sovereign nation at any time, no limits placed on this action?

    The Fedgov wouldn't be able to bully the states into doing everything its way all the time?


    Seriously... the benefits of remaining a part of the USA are obvious enough. States aren't likely to seceed willy-nilly everytime some Senator burps in a manner they find unpleasant. If we made it law tomorrow that any State could seceed on vote of 2/3rds of their population or legislature, I doubt any would do so. If they did, probably they'd be asking to be let back in within a few years.

    Mass secession probably wouldn't occur unless the Fedgov seriously stepped over the line, or something else very drastic happened.
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Always and everywhere we should support secession. Even Jefferson admitted as much. If we ever want a chance to have individuals participating in self-government, then secession is the only way to achieve it. We need governments reigning over smaller and smaller areas. Ideally, I would want that to extend all the way down to the family, but for now, state secession would be a great start.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    If you go back to 1993, I would have said that we will do whatever the Sam Hell we want to do. Then came Governors Bush and Perry. They bent over backwards everytime the Feds said that they might withhold our highway funds. We've been pussified and stand no chance of standing up for ourselves in the future.

    Gov. Ann Richards(D) would have told them where to put their highway funds.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    If you go back to 1993, I would have said that we will do whatever the Sam Hell we want to do. Then came Governors Bush and Perry. They bent over backwards everytime the Feds said that they might withhold our highway funds. We've been pussified and stand no chance of standing up for ourselves in the future.

    Gov. Ann Richards(D) would have told them where to put their highway funds.
    This has happened ever since the passage of the 16th amendment. That was the final blow to federalism.

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