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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Foley View Post
    Every country on Planet Earth is born of revolution or conquest and consolidation. The Rule of the Gun determines borders.
    Okay...what's your point?

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quantrill View Post
    BS. Texas got its independence from Mexico first.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quantrill View Post
    How was the Constitution being broken by secession in 1861?

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    well you asked

    Article 1 Section 10

    No state shall enter into any treaty, alliance, or confederation; grant letters of marque and reprisal; coin money; emit bills of credit; make anything but gold and silver coin a tender in payment of debts; pass any bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law impairing the obligation of contracts, or grant any title of nobility.

    No state shall, without the consent of the Congress, lay any imposts or duties on imports or exports, except what may be absolutely necessary for executing it's inspection laws: and the net produce of all duties and imposts, laid by any state on imports or exports, shall be for the use of the treasury of the United States; and all such laws shall be subject to the revision and control of the Congress.

    No state shall, without the consent of Congress, lay any duty of tonnage, keep troops, or ships of war in time of peace, enter into any agreement or compact with another state, or with a foreign power, or engage in war, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent danger as will not admit of delay.
    The CSA violated the underlined.
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    That only works in some cases. When did the independent nation of Arkansas consent to joining the United States? Never. When did the independent "Kingdom of Iowa" accede to the Constitution? Never.

    If the Constitution can be broken at any time, then there's no basis for it. There's nothing to stop any state from nullifying any Federal law.

    If Texas can secede from the United States, why can't certain counties of Texas secede from Texas and rejoin the Union for a couple of weeks? Then rejoin when it's convienient again.
    Actually that happened during the Civil War, and with the exception of West Virginia, those secessionist movements were crushed by the CSA army.
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Foley View Post
    well you asked



    The CSA violated the underlined.
    Prove it. And what does it have to do with secession?

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    Last edited by Quantrill; 05-19-12 at 01:33 PM.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    succession can be determined by rule of law... it doesn't have to be determined by the gun.
    Good luck, it very rarely ever happens without Mr. Weapon being involved.
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Afghanistan and Texas would be completely different in terms of morale I think because Texas is part of the homeland.
    True. Do you think that fact would make people more tolerant of a US occupation of Texas, or would they be more disgusted than they are with the occupation of Afghanistan? Personally, I'd be repulsed by the idea of US troops occupying Texas, and I would oppose very vehemently sending the youth of my Commonwealth of Pennsylvania to be involved in such an invasion.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Only with the help of the United States.
    Bull.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Foley View Post
    Actually that happened during the Civil War, and with the exception of West Virginia, those secessionist movements were crushed by the CSA army.
    Yes, it did happen. I just want to know what the justification is. If states can secede from the Union, then counties can secede from states and form their own states.

    Heck, let's just have a bunch of independent city-states. Then Cubs fans can go to war with Cardinals fans, which is what they always wanted to do anyway.


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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    True. Do you think that fact would make people more tolerant of a US occupation of Texas, or would they be more disgusted than they are with the occupation of Afghanistan? Personally, I'd be repulsed by the idea of US troops occupying Texas, and I would oppose very vehemently sending the youth of my Commonwealth of Pennsylvania to be involved in such an invasion.
    With Texas there is some personal stake here because people identify themselves nationally. So, in essence, to lose a piece of Texas would be to lose a piece of themselves and their identity. This is a HUGE motivator.

    Afghanistan is some country in the middle east we were nervous about. In terms of motivation, it doesn't really compare.

    The difference between you and 99.999% of the population is that people think of the US as a whole and not by state. So you may not share the same perspective, but its a cultural thing. But culturally, in people's minds, sovereignty is national, not by state, so they would not consider it an invasion, but a defense of the homeland. Right or wrong from whatever philosophy, this is how people would behave.
    Last edited by tacomancer; 05-19-12 at 01:38 PM.

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