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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    Yes, it was.
    the manner in which succession was attempted is , and was, unconstitutional.

    ...but that's not the same thing as saying succession is unconstitutional.... it depends entirely up the method by which succession is attempted.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    Yes, it was.
    Then show where or who says it.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    the manner in which succession was attempted is , and was, unconstitutional.

    ...but that's not the same thing as saying succession is unconstitutional.... it depends entirely up the method by which succession is attempted.
    Show where secession was uncontitutional.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    no,this is incorrect.... by utilizing the constitutional principle of consent of the many states, with successful ratification in the legislature, a succession can be successfully pulled off.
    That only works in some cases. When did the independent nation of Arkansas consent to joining the United States? Never. When did the independent "Kingdom of Iowa" accede to the Constitution? Never.

    If the Constitution can be broken at any time, then there's no basis for it. There's nothing to stop any state from nullifying any Federal law.

    If Texas can secede from the United States, why can't certain counties of Texas secede from Texas and rejoin the Union for a couple of weeks? Then rejoin when it's convienient again.


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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Go read a history book. The whole creation of the "Republic of Texas" was by Americans, with the support of the United States government, as a pretense for taking Texas from Mexico. It was a prelude to the Mexican War, and "manifest destiny" and so forth.

    Basically, without the support of the United States, Texas would still be part of Mexico. Ole.
    BS. Texas got its independence from Mexico first.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quantrill View Post
    Then show where or who says it.

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    Zzzzzzzz, this is why I brought up DUIs and child porn. There is no explicit statement made against either, just like there is no explicit mention of secession, yet both are still illegal. It has been established as legal precedent that states only have the right to revolt/secede in extenuating circumstances. The Civil War did not fall under that, no matter how much conservatives want to make the Civil War about nice people in the south being bullied just cause they owned human beings. You want something impossible from me, ironclad statements saying that succession is illegal. There is none. But there is even less in favor of your view, that states can leave the US whenever they feel like it. There is legal precedent directly rejecting this view.
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quantrill View Post
    Show where secession was uncontitutional.

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    I said the manner in which they attempted succession was unconstitutional.. not that succession was unconstitutional.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    That only works in some cases. When did the independent nation of Arkansas consent to joining the United States? Never. When did the independent "Kingdom of Iowa" accede to the Constitution? Never.

    If the Constitution can be broken at any time, then there's no basis for it. There's nothing to stop any state from nullifying any Federal law.

    If Texas can secede from the United States, why can't certain counties of Texas secede from Texas and rejoin the Union for a couple of weeks? Then rejoin when it's convienient again.
    How was the Constitution being broken by secession in 1861?

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    That only works in some cases. When did the independent nation of Arkansas consent to joining the United States? Never. When did the independent "Kingdom of Iowa" accede to the Constitution? Never.

    If the Constitution can be broken at any time, then there's no basis for it. There's nothing to stop any state from nullifying any Federal law.

    If Texas can secede from the United States, why can't certain counties of Texas secede from Texas and rejoin the Union for a couple of weeks? Then rejoin when it's convienient again.
    you are talking about unilateral succession.... i'm talking about getting prior consent of the many States
    there is a huge difference.... one is unconstitutional, the other is not.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quantrill View Post
    How was the Constitution being broken by secession in 1861?

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    nothing can constitutionally occur that affects the political jurisdiction or sovereignty of a State without consent of the States.

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