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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    You have a very juvenile understanding of the Constitution. Thank God the framers were smart enough to institute a court to interpret it instead of leaving it to the states. Otherwise this country would have been reduced to bunch of petty little fifedoms full petty little tyrants bickering and warring with each other a long time ago.
    It should be noted that even the founders came to realize the failure of the supreme court.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So really are foolish enough to think the words "to form a more perfect union" has power behind it?
    8.4.... I think.
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    You have a very juvenile understanding of the Constitution. Thank God the framers were smart enough to institute a court to interpret it instead of leaving it to the states. Otherwise this country would have been reduced to bunch of petty little fifedoms full petty little tyrants bickering and warring with each other a long time ago.
    So you think the court's decision was consistent with the constitution. Okay, what prohibition did they cite that prevents a state from leaving the union?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    So you think the court's decision was consistent with the constitution. Okay, what prohibition did they cite that prevents a state from leaving the union?
    im a little hazy on this,but i believe it was no part of the constitution,but rather the federalist papers the declaration of independance and the articles of confederation were all used in the court decision.
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    NO. You simply see something there which is not there. You have adopted a self imposed beliefs system based on axioms which cannot be proven nor disproved and you allow those to trump reality.
    Um, no. I am basing my opinion on the constitution. I have no idea upon what you are basing your position, but it certainly is not the constitution.

    The constitution clearly says that powers not prohibited to the states are reserved to the states. There is no prohibition on the power of a state to leave the union, therefore, states have that power.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    im a little hazy on this,but i believe it was no part of the constitution,but rather the federalist papers the declaration of independance and the articles of confederation were all used in the court decision.
    Despite the fact that the constitution is the supreme law of the land?

    Judicial fail.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    Despite the fact that the constitution is the supreme law of the land?

    Judicial fail.
    they also use jefferson when interperating the first amendment even though madison wrote it and was the father of not only the first amendment,but the bil of rights,yet the courts ignore him and chose jefferson who other some phrases had no part of the first amendment,and even jefferson states he should not be a constitutional authority,as he was involved in foreign relations in france during its creation.

    its kinda like have a chevy break down,then telling chevy that have no clue about the car they made and then calling ford to find out whats wrong with it.
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    Whaaaaa???

    The supremacy clause simply states that the constitution is the supreme law of the land.
    If it's so simple then why don't you understand it?



    The 10th amendment says that anything that is not prohibited to the states is permitted.
    The SCOTUS ruled the states are prohibited from seceding.

    And where in the constitution does it prohibit the states from seceding?
    For the fourth time, its found in the power delegated to the Supreme Court, Article 3 of the constitution. You should read it sometime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    So you think the court's decision was consistent with the constitution. Okay, what prohibition did they cite that prevents a state from leaving the union?
    On a previous page, I provided the reasoning from Chief Justice Chase.

    By these, the Union was solemnly declared to "be perpetual." And when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained "to form a more perfect Union." It is difficult to convey the idea of indissoluble unity more clearly than by these words. What can be indissoluble if a perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not?
    and more from Chase


    When, therefore, Texas became one of the United States, she entered into an indissoluble relation. All the obligations of perpetual union, and all the guaranties of republican government in the Union, attached at once to the State. The act which consummated her admission into the Union was something more than a compact; it was the incorporation of a new member into the political body. And it was final. The union between Texas and the other States was as complete, as perpetual, and as indissoluble as the union between the original States. There was no place for reconsideration or revocation, except through revolution or through consent of the States.
    and more from the Chief Justice

    Considered therefore as transactions under the Constitution, the ordinance of secession, adopted by the convention and ratified by a majority of the citizens of Texas, and all the acts of her legislature intended to give effect to that ordinance, were absolutely null. They were utterly without operation in law. The obligations of the State, as a member of the Union, and of every citizen of the State, as a citizen of the United States, remained perfect and unimpaired.
    The Court clearly does NOT see it as you do.

    Nor does the current most conservative Justice on the Court Antonin Scalia

    "I am afraid I cannot be of much help with your problem, principally because I cannot imagine that such a question could ever reach the Supreme Court. To begin with, the answer is clear. If there was any constitutional issue resolved by the Civil War, it is that there is no right to secede.


    Since Justice Scalia has discussed the Tenth Amendment at length throughout his career, he obviously is informed about it.
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    If it's so simple then why don't you understand it?



    The SCOTUS ruled the states are prohibited from seceding.

    For the fourth time, its found in the power delegated to the Supreme Court, Article 3 of the constitution. You should read it sometime.
    the irony is they had nothing to rule off of,that desicion itself is on par with bypassing the constitution.btw the constitution does not grant scotus the power to rule on constitutionality,scotus granted itself that power,prior to scotus granting itself power over the constitution,any court could rule on it and it would only reach a higher court if further challenged.
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