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    Re: Texas secession?

    Then I can return to Texas where I was born.
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    But the constitution is clear. There are no prohibitions on a state leaving. Therefore, under the 10th amendment, any state may secede. Remember, powers not prohibited to the states are reserved to the states, which is to say, if the constitution doesn't prohibit a particular state action, then that action is allowed. Can you point me to the section of the constitution that prohibits a state from leaving the union?
    Now you're just being obstinate. The Constitution clearly delegated the power to interpret the Constitution to the federal courts, not the states, not the citizens, and not you. The federal courts interpreted the Constitution and ruled the states do not have the right to secede unless recognized by the US government and the US government has not recognized the states right to secede. Why that is so hard for you to comprehend is beyond me other than you are so vested in a myth perpetuated by belligerents that neither fact or reason can penetrate your brain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    The charge was murder, Treason against Virginia and one other I can't recall right now. Staes Rights, right? State go first crack.


    as far as the conspirators, one went stark raving mad, and one fled to Canada. It's on the internet, you tell us. It's not hard, but I'm onmy phone now.
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    Samuel Gridley Howe. He was the husband of Julia Ward Howe and helped co-edit the anti slavery periodical, 'The Commonwealth'.

    After Harpers Ferry he fled to Canada denying any knowledge of it. Later returned and was made one of New Englands directors of the United States Sannitary Commission.

    So, Samuel Gridley Howe, accessory to treason and murder against the state of Virginia and the US, given postion of authority by the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    Good then we agree. And where in the constitution does it say that the states are prohibited from exiting the union?
    It does not say they are prohibited from turning into a giant easter bunny and hopping from moons and planets to the edges of the known universe either.

    But they cannot do that.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    It does not say they are prohibited from turning into a giant easter bunny and hopping from moons and planets to the edges of the known universe either.

    But they cannot do that.

    Either.
    but if states can defy logic and have scientists magically turn them into easter bunnies,the constitution doesnt stop them,does it??????
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    but if states can defy logic and have scientists magically turn them into easter bunnies,the constitution doesnt stop them,does it??????
    We must amend the Constitution immediately to make sure that States can magically transmogrify into bunnies. Just in case.


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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    The charge was murder, Treason against Virginia and one other I can't recall right now. Staes Rights, right? State go first crack.


    as far as the conspirators, one went stark raving mad, and one fled to Canada. It's on the internet, you tell us. It's not hard, but I'm onmy phone now.
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    Theodore Parker. A Unitarian preacher from Mass. and abolitionist. Active in aiding fugitive slaves to escape and helped capture some who were beign already transported back to slavery. In 1859 he went abroad for medical reasons and died.

    Theodore Parker, accessory to treason and murder against the state of Virginia and the U.S. Missed out on promotion due to his death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Now you're just being obstinate. The Constitution clearly delegated the power to interpret the Constitution to the federal courts, not the states, not the citizens, and not you.
    Well, I'm not sure what text you're citing that gives the federal courts a monopoly to interpret the constitution. That must be another on of those clauses I can never find in the constitution.

    The federal courts interpreted the Constitution and ruled the states do not have the right to secede unless recognized by the US government and the US government has not recognized the states right to secede.
    Yes, this is exactly the decision with which I disagree. Since there is no prohibition against any state leaving, I cannot understand how the court would determine that a state leaving is prohibited, especially in light of the 10th amendment that clearly states that whatever is not specifically prohibited is permitted.

    Why that is so hard for you to comprehend is beyond me other than you are so vested in a myth perpetuated by belligerents that neither fact or reason can penetrate your brain.
    If we are going to live under a constitutional union, then it is important to understand the rules of that union. I am simply pointing out that the rules do not forbid a state from leaving the union, and nobody has yet pointed to any language in the constitution that would imply that such a restriction exists. Can you show me where the constitution says that a state may not exit the union?

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    The charge was murder, Treason against Virginia and one other I can't recall right now. Staes Rights, right? State go first crack.


    as far as the conspirators, one went stark raving mad, and one fled to Canada. It's on the internet, you tell us. It's not hard, but I'm onmy phone now.
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    Franklin Sanborn. was from New Hampshire but moved to Mass. Became secretary of the Mass. Free Soil Association. After Harpers Ferry he was ordered to give testimony in Washington. He refused and was arrested in early 1860. But he was freed by the courts and mob.

    During the war he became editor of 'Boston Commonwealth' and serve on state board of Charities.

    Franklin Sanborn, accessory to treason and murder against the state of Virginia and the US. was free to pursue his interests and allowed to serve on a board for charities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    Well, I'm not sure what text you're citing that gives the federal courts a monopoly to interpret the constitution. That must be another on of those clauses I can never find in the constitution.
    For the third time, the Supremacy clause and Article 3 gives the federal courts THE POWER to interpret the constitution.



    Yes, this is exactly the decision with which I disagree. Since there is no prohibition against any state leaving, I cannot understand how the court would determine that a state leaving is prohibited, especially in light of the 10th amendment that clearly states that whatever is not specifically prohibited is permitted.
    It doesn't matter if you disagree, we are a nation of laws and the constitution gives the court the final say in what is or isn't constitutional.

    If we are going to live under a constitutional union, then it is important to understand the rules of that union. I am simply pointing out that the rules do not forbid a state from leaving the union, and nobody has yet pointed to any language in the constitution that would imply that such a restriction exists. Can you show me where the constitution says that a state may not exit the union?
    Well, I am simply pointing out to you the rules and the rules say that the courts have the final say in what is or isn't constitutional. So if you want to know what in the constitution the court bases it's rulings on then you have to go to the court cases and read the judges findings.

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