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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    I'm not sure of your point in stating this obvious fact.
    the point is a needed one: REALITY trumps IDEOLOGY every single day of the week.... heck, today is a holiday is maybe twice on holidays.

    Now, as you say, the government CAN ignore what the constitution says, but that is a question of CAN, and ignores the question of SHOULD.
    Actually - that is NOT my position. The Constitution must be honored and its language obeyed.
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    As you can see the federal courts supercede the rights of the states. A state that wanted to secede would need a majority of the people from other states (2/3 of the states) to consent to it's seccession and they have never consented.
    But the constitution is clear. There are no prohibitions on a state leaving. Therefore, under the 10th amendment, any state may secede. Remember, powers not prohibited to the states are reserved to the states, which is to say, if the constitution doesn't prohibit a particular state action, then that action is allowed. Can you point me to the section of the constitution that prohibits a state from leaving the union?

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Actually - that is NOT my position. The Constitution must be honored and its language obeyed.
    Good then we agree. And where in the constitution does it say that the states are prohibited from exiting the union?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quantrill View Post
    The right of secession was known and accepted at the time of the making of the 1787 Constitution. It was even stated in several of the States ratification documents. Just because the Federal govt. doesn't want it, like it, recognize it, is immaterial. It just means the Fed. govt. is willing to go to war to stop it.

    I give. Who?

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    The states signed a "binding" legal agreement to give sovereignty to the US government over all the states that superceded their sovereignty as individual states. There is nothing in that agreement that gives any state the right to break that agreement without the consent of a 3/4 majority of the other states bound to that agreement.


    If you are going by the Kentucky and Virginia Resolutions to find the legality of the states right to seccede then you would be mistaken. Even Madison refuted that notion in several letters written during the Nullification crisis.....


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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    There is nothing in that agreement that gives any state the right to break that agreement without the consent of a 3/4 majority of the other states bound to that agreement.
    "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people"

    Can you point to any language in the constitution that prohibits states from seceding?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    But the constitution is clear. There are no prohibitions on a state leaving. Therefore, under the 10th amendment, any state may secede. Remember, powers not prohibited to the states are reserved to the states, which is to say, if the constitution doesn't prohibit a particular state action, then that action is allowed. Can you point me to the section of the constitution that prohibits a state from leaving the union?
    The Supremacy clause and Article 3 of the Constitution "delegated" to the federal courts the power to interpret the Constitution, not the states. The 10th amendment recognizes the "delegated power" of the federal court and the court has ruled against the states right to secceed. Therefore, the states are "prohibited" from seccession.



    The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    The charge was murder, Treason against Virginia and one other I can't recall right now. Staes Rights, right? State go first crack.


    as far as the conspirators, one went stark raving mad, and one fled to Canada. It's on the internet, you tell us. It's not hard, but I'm onmy phone now.
    Information taken from "Who was Who in the Civil War" by Stewart Sifakis, p. 602

    Gerrit Smith was a wealthy New Yorker and abolitionist. A member of the Kansas Aid Society.

    After Harpers Ferry and the Secret Six became known, Smith had a case of temporary insanity.

    Later as an independent, he sat in Congress during the War.

    Gerrit Smith, accessory to treason and murder against the state of Virginia and the US sat as a congressman.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    The Supremacy clause and Article 3 of the Constitution "delegated" to the federal courts the power to interpret the Constitution, not the states.
    Whaaaaa???

    The supremacy clause simply states that the constitution is the supreme law of the land.

    The 10th amendment recognizes the "delegated power" of the federal court and the court has ruled against the states right to secceed. Therefore, the states are "prohibited" from seccession.
    The 10th amendment says that anything that is not prohibited to the states is permitted.

    The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
    And where in the constitution does it prohibit the states from seceding?

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    The charge was murder, Treason against Virginia and one other I can't recall right now. Staes Rights, right? State go first crack.


    as far as the conspirators, one went stark raving mad, and one fled to Canada. It's on the internet, you tell us. It's not hard, but I'm onmy phone now.
    Information taken from "Who is Who in the Civil War" by Stewart Sifakis, p.307-308

    Thomas Wentworth Higgenson. He was a Mass born reformer and abolitionist. After Harpers Ferry he raised up black troops for the Union Army. He was given command of a clolored regiment. After the War he wrote several books.

    So, Thomas Wentworth Higgenson, accessory to treason and murder against the state of Virginia and the US was given postions of authority by the US. And lived out his days as an author.

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