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    Re: Texas secession?

    I don't know that.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    Well, duh. There is no situation in which any of your rights can't be curtailed or removed completely. Your free speech in curtailed, your right to vote can be removed and your right to life can be taken away. What makes you think there would be no limited of self-determination?
    then you answer to the initial question I posed of self determination is " no, they should not be allowed to self determine".. and not " yes , of course.....<snip>"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    no,this is incorrect.... by utilizing the constitutional principle of consent of the many states, with successful ratification in the legislature, a succession can be successfully pulled off.
    You have a legal contradiction then. The unilateral law of the land says the federal government is the ultimate law of the land, it sets the minimum standard. But if you include the right to unilateral secession, then the federal law isn't really the ultimate authority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    then you answer to the initial question I posed of self determination is " no, they should not be allowed to self determine".. and not " yes , of course.....<snip>"
    They have a right to self-determination after they conform to the minimum standard. Welcome to America, dude.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    Germany has nothing to do with the Texas or the US.

    Who is we? Do you speak for the government? Go ahead and confiscate the currency as you put it; but the more likely scenario is to exchange it for something like gold. Yes, that would probably be sufficient for the people of Texas. Can't occupy Texas roads if Texas secedes unless you want a war. I really doubt the people of the US would stand for that. The whole country would go up in flames, with the exception of maybe Kalifornia, and some other "suck the life out of their own economy, we need federal aid because we are too dumb to manage our own budget" states.

    But Texas seceding from the union seems like an interesting prospect. I think the Washington elite and their lackeys would find out that states rights really are important to most people, with the noted exceptions above.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    Germany has nothing to do with the Texas or the US.

    Who is we? Do you speak for the government? Go ahead and confiscate the currency as you put it; but the more likely scenario is to exchange it for something like gold. Yes, that would probably be sufficient for the people of Texas. Can't occupy Texas roads if Texas secedes unless you want a war. I really doubt the people of the US would stand for that. The whole country would go up in flames, with the exception of maybe Kalifornia, and some other "suck the life out of their own economy, we need federal aid because we are too dumb to manage our own budget" states.

    But Texas seceding from the union seems like an interesting prospect. I think the Washington elite and their lackeys would find out that states rights really are important to most people, with the noted exceptions above.

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    Davey Crockett continues to be an inspiration to Texans for the reasons you just read. Many would emulate his actions to preserve their way of life if necessary.

    Go read a history book. The whole creation of the "Republic of Texas" was by Americans, with the support of the United States government, as a pretense for taking Texas from Mexico. It was a prelude to the Mexican War, and "manifest destiny" and so forth.

    Basically, without the support of the United States, Texas would still be part of Mexico. Ole.


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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    That's like saying nothing in Constitution addresses DUIs or child porn, therefore, both are legal.
    No, its like saying you stated that it was unconstitutional. Now you can't prove it was unconstitutional. But you don't want to admit it. So, I ask again. Was it unconstitutional prior to 1861 for a state to seced?

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Foley View Post
    Secession is not determined by the "rule of law", the Supreme Court, the Congress, the president, or whatever the hell Texas thinks it wants. Secession is determined by the Rule of Gun.
    succession can be determined by rule of law... it doesn't have to be determined by the gun.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quantrill View Post
    No, its like saying you stated that it was unconstitutional. Now you can't prove it was unconstitutional. But you don't want to admit it. So, I ask again. Was it unconstitutional prior to 1861 for a state to seced?

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    Yes, it was.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    You have a legal contradiction then. The unilateral law of the land says the federal government is the ultimate law of the land, it sets the minimum standard. But if you include the right to unilateral secession, then the federal law isn't really the ultimate authority.
    I said nothing of unilateral succession.

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