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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    But leaving was not a power. It did not have to be prohibited because it did not exist. Still does not exist.
    It is an act that is not prohibited. Therefore, under the 10th, it is allowed.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    One only has rights that the power of the people compel the government to recognize and protect.
    So one only has the rights that the government recognizes and protects. And if the government doesn't recognize a right, then you don't have it.

    I believe that's what I said your position was a few posts up, yet you called me dishonest.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    One only has rights that the power of the people compel the government to recognize and protect.
    Like I said, broken record.

    I will ask you again, do understand that destruction exists? Don't play stupid claiming you don't know what I mean either like you did last time. I won't explain basic scientific fact of the realities of destruction and peace to you.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    So one only has the rights that the government recognizes and protects. And if the government doesn't recognize a right, then you don't have it.

    I believe that's what I said your position was a few posts up, yet you called me dishonest.
    YOu are dishonestly leaving out the portion where I include the all important element of THE PEOPLE as the ones who demand and push for their rights.

    Why would you do that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Like I said, broken record.

    I will ask you again, do understand that destruction exists? Don't play stupid claiming you don't know what I mean either like you did last time. I won't explain basic scientific fact of the realities of destruction and peace to you.
    Destruction of what?
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Destruction of what?
    Your body for one.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by JuanBatista View Post
    Try again. Texas was never independent to begin with, anymore than Chechnya is today independent of Russia.
    Sorry for the late reply, thread was moving to fast for me to read and keep up with everything.

    What is your definition of Independent? They defeated the Mexican Army, set up their own government Independent of any other government and was recognised as a sovreign state by other countries, sounds like they were Independent to me. I am not positive, but it seem your claim that they were never Independent is based upon the fact that Mexico never recognised that Independence. If so, consider whether or not Spain recognised the Independence of Mexico immediately following their split, or England the US, or any other group that has revolted against a previous government and claimed independence, I doubt very much you will find very many, if any, countries that immediately recognised the Independence of those areas that revolted. Texas militarily defeated Mexico, thus establishing their claim to independence and that independence was recognised by the US and other countries.

    As to claims that Texas had no control over claimed areas, that is true, but Mexico did not have control there either. Even after Texas joined the US, the US did not have actual control of those areas for a longtime and it was after 1900 before the actually got complete control. It took more than 100 years for the US to finalize control of Territories it gained and claimed from the Louisiana Purchase. The definition of lands comprising Texas is derived from the grant for American settlement into lands claimed by Spain. That grant was given by the King of Spain, prior to Mexico's Independence. After their Independence, Mexico claimed control of Texas, it was only after Mexico tried to expel American settlers and close off Texas to Americans that Texans made the claim for Independence. Instead of Mexico expelling the ango settlers, the settlers, calling themselves Texicans, expelled the Mexican officials, triggering the invasion by Generalisimo De Santa Anna (self proclaimed ruler of Mexico at the time). It was Texas' claim to those territories that was the basis for them to be claimed by the US after Texas joined them and incidents in the claimed areas that triggered the Mexican-American war that led not only the the US getting the territory claimed by Texas, but also Nevada, Utah, Arizona and the other half of New Mexico. It was only after that war that the US established the territorial borders for those states as we know them now (exept for an area in southern NM and Arizona that was not actually added until later, but it was a small area compared to the total). The US had no more actual 'control' of those areas than the Texans did previously.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Your body for one.
    Is there some reason you bring this up from time to time and then merely abandon it powerless to actually explain anything?
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Is there some reason you bring this up from time to time and then merely abandon it powerless to actually explain anything?
    What needs to be understood exactly that a two year old can't figure out?

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    YOu are dishonestly leaving out the portion where I include the all important element of THE PEOPLE as the ones who demand and push for their rights.

    Why would you do that?
    So you only have the rights that the people can force the government to grant you. Same difference. In the end, you have the rights that the government say you have.

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