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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Is that why the country was founded on natural law/natural rights?

    Fail hay.
    Whatever beliefs some of the founders had - be they in natural law, the easter bunny, santa claus or blue faeries - that did not make them real. Belief in a convenient fiction does not empower that fiction with the stuff of reality. Mature people know that.
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Whatever beliefs some of the founders had - be they in natural law, the easter bunny, santa claus or blue faeries - that did not make them real. Belief in a convenient fiction does not empower that fiction with the stuff of reality. Mature people know that.
    Mature people know that rights have a basis beyond government. Something you are aware of as well, but don't want to admit or else your government worship would come into question.

    Its also hilarious how you call the study of the world fiction. Science= fiction according to haymarket.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Mature people know that rights have a basis beyond government. Something you are aware of as well, but don't want to admit or else your government worship would come into question.

    Its also hilarious how you call the study of the world fiction. Science= fiction according to haymarket.
    You can believe in any fiction you want to believe in. That is your right. I put my trust in the power of the people. But the reality is that if the people do not force their government to recognize and protect what they believe a right is - then you do not have it. That is just the way it is and no belief system can change that.

    Insulting me does not provide your silly posts with anything that gives them intelligence or fact.
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    There was no power to leave the nation once you joined up.
    And yet you are impotent to point to the language in the constitution that prohibits states from leaving...

    It was not a power that was explicit or reserved. It did not exist.
    All powers not delegated to the union nor prohibited to the states are reserved to the states or the people. You can point to no delegation. You can point to no prohibition. Therefore the power was reserved.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    We have been through this before. I have stated my view before. You perverted and distorted it then and I corrected you. I stated them again in this discussion and you again pervert and distort them yet again.

    Why do you persist in this dishonesty?
    Dishonesty?

    Your view is that one only has the rights that the government allows him to have. Didn't you just say this a few posts above?

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    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You can believe in any fiction you want to believe in. That is your right. I put my trust in the power of the people. But the reality is that if the people do not force their government to recognize and protect what they believe a right is - then you do not have it. That is just the way it is and no belief system can change that.

    Insulting me does not provide your silly posts with anything that gives them intelligence or fact.
    You're like a broken record. Try to disprove natural law/rights if you dare instead of just dealing with them being protected or not. Your weak sauce is not good enough.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Like I said, if it's not part of your "They're out to get the South!" worldview....
    Its an accurate conclusion. As I showed, Brown was allowed to roam free in the North while a murderer. But the North wasn't concerned with Brown as murderer because he murdered Southern white people. So, its a just concusion that they would rather the Southern State hang him, though it was a Federal institution he attacked, then they hang him. Because they supported him.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    And yet you are impotent to point to the language in the constitution that prohibits states from leaving...



    All powers not delegated to the union nor prohibited to the states are reserved to the states or the people. You can point to no delegation. You can point to no prohibition. Therefore the power was reserved.
    But leaving was not a power. It did not have to be prohibited because it did not exist. Still does not exist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    You're like a broken record. Try to disprove natural law/rights if you dare instead of just dealing with them being protected or not. Your weak sauce is not good enough.
    I do not have to disprove anything. Proving that something exists is the duty of those who assert that it does.
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    Dishonesty?

    Your view is that one only has the rights that the government allows him to have. Didn't you just say this a few posts above?
    One only has rights that the power of the people compel the government to recognize and protect.
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