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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    Link, please?
    Go back and read.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quantrill View Post
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    Im using South as South. Slavery as slavery. The South seceded due to the north's view that the South shouldn't be allowed protections under the Constitution.
    You mean, "The South seceded due to the north's view that the South shouldn't be allowed protections to keep slaves under the Constitution."

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    There was no right to secede from the USA because the USA did not recognize that right.
    The constitution contains no restriction on any state leaving the union. Look once again at the 10th amendment: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." The states reserved to themselves the power to exist the union they themselves created.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Yes. Because the innate human rights enshrined by natural law of those enslaved trump any social contract. Including the Constitution.
    Wrong. You only have those rights that the government decides to let you have. Right haymarket?

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quantrill View Post
    The U.S.military stopped brown. Brown should have been executed by the Federal govt. Because it was a federal institutin he attacked. In stead they gave it to Virginia to prosecute. That way they were not the executors. The Southern states were. And John Brown becomes a martyr.

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    I guess if it doesn't fit in with your paranoid worldview.....

    John Brown (abolitionist) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Brown and the others captured were held in the office of the armory. On October 18, 1859, Virginia Governor Henry A. Wise, Virginia Senator James M. Mason, and Representative Clement Vallandigham of Ohio arrived in Harpers Ferry. Mason led the three-hour questioning session of Brown.
    Although the attack had taken place on Federal property, Wise ordered that Brown and his men should be tried in Virginia in Charles Town, the nearby county seat capital of Jefferson County just seven miles west of Harpers Ferry (perhaps to avert Northern political pressure on the Federal government, or in the unlikely event of a presidential pardon).
    He was tried in Virginia because the Governor of Virginia wanted to make sure he didn't get away.


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    This issue has been plowed more times than Paris Hilton.
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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    You mean, "The South seceded due to the north's view that the South shouldn't be allowed protections to keep slaves under the Constitution."

    Just own it!
    No, the South seceeded because the North refused to acknowledge her rights as protected by the Constitution. Slavery was protected by the Constitution. The North refused to stop John Brown a murderer knowing he had plans to attack the South. The North refused to treat the South as equals under the Constitution. When you are not protected by the law of the land you have no recourse but secede. Leave.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I guess if it doesn't fit in with your paranoid worldview.....

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    He was tried in Virginia because the Governor of Virginia wanted to make sure he didn't get away.
    Please. Since when at this time did the Fed. govt. listen to a Southern States request. Like the Gov. of Virginia could stop the Fed. govt. from getting Brown. The Fed Govt could have gotten Brown anytime. The Fed. govt didn't care about Brown other then letting him further his crimes against the Southern states. Better to let the Southern State execute him then the Fed govt. they wash their hands and Brown is a martyr.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quantrill View Post
    Please. Since when at this time did the Fed. govt. listen to a Southern States request. Like the Gov. of Virginia could stop the Fed. govt. from getting Brown. The Fed Govt could have gotten Brown anytime. The Fed. govt didn't care about Brown other then letting him further his crimes against the Southern states. Better to let the Southern State execute him then the Fed govt. they wash their hands and Brown is a martyr.

    Glory, glory...hallelujah.

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    Like I said, if it's not part of your "They're out to get the South!" worldview....


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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    The constitution contains no restriction on any state leaving the union. Look once again at the 10th amendment: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." The states reserved to themselves the power to exist the union they themselves created.
    There was no power to leave the nation once you joined up. It was not a power that was explicit or reserved. It did not exist.
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    Wrong. You only have those rights that the government decides to let you have. Right haymarket?
    We have been through this before. I have stated my view before. You perverted and distorted it then and I corrected you. I stated them again in this discussion and you again pervert and distort them yet again.

    Why do you persist in this dishonesty?
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