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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quantrill View Post
    The South didn't abondon the Constitution.

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    Yeah, they did. They made their own Constitution and waged unprovoked aggressive war against the Union.
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quantrill View Post
    I posted somewhere to someone about proving John Brown was moving freely in the North as a murderer and planning his raid on the South.

    The book I refer to is 'John Brown, Abolitionist', by David S. Reynolds. I would recommend the book though it is somewhat pro-Brown and what I would call anti-southern, but gives a fair treatement of him.

    Brown murdered 5 men and boys in May of 1856 at Pottawatomie Creek Kansas. " It is oftened maintained that the Transendentalists would not have supported John Brown had they suspected his role in the Pottawatomie murders. The evidence suggests, however, that they knew of it and yet embraced him anyway. A detailed report of the crime, and of Brown's involvement in it, had been on public record since 1856, when the Committee to Investigate the Troubles in Kansas described it on the floor of the United States House of Representatives in vivid testimony that was subsequently published. " p.221-222

    Brown would meet with many people in the north after these murders and after it was known. Most especially significant is the Mass. Legstate legislature to get support. He didn't get the support, but he was allowed to speak. "Introduced by Sanborn as a patriot with the blood of the Puritans and the Revolutionary generatin in his veins, Brown made an impressive showing....(saying nothing, of course, about Free State crimes, least of all Pottawatomie)." p.212-213

    It would be beneficial to read pages 138-238 to get the fuller picture of Brown and his Secret Six money men of the North and the Norths allowing him the freedom to roam and prepare for his attack upon the South.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    Yeah, they did. They made their own Constitution and waged unprovoked aggressive war against the Union.
    The South seceded from the Union removing them from the Constitution they were under. The Constitution that the North refused to abide by. There was no alternative left at that point.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Except that the Constitution was an inherently illegal social contract because it violated the human rights of slaves until the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments changed it to officially disallow slavery.

    I can't be a traitor to a social contract that is inherently illegal.
    Who determines this 'higher law'? Who determines what is inherently illegal?

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quantrill View Post
    Yes you can. The Constitution is that which the Union is based on. You become traitor when you go against the Constitution. You can have all the higher law you want, lofty ideals, but it still makes you traitor to the Constitution.

    And the Constitution was not illegal.

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    It was illegal because it violated the human rights of slaves. That makes it illegitimate according to natural law until the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments were passed to disallow the institution of slavery. And natural law trumps constitutional law. Which was understood by our very Founding Fathers, as the violation of their human rights under natural law was their justification for their rebellion against the British Empire.
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    The evil done by a violent abolitionist has no effect nor justifies the evil done by the institution of slavery.
    The point made here is that this was known by the north. Was allowed to take place. The north was not allowing the South protection under the Constitution. When you are not protected by the laws of the land, you have no choice but leave.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quantrill View Post
    Who determines this 'higher law'? Who determines what is inherently illegal?

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    Natural law does, as codified by a rational understanding of the nature of the universe and the world.

    Natural law demands that people be free and not enslaved to others, especially on the premise of race. Therefore, the Constitution, as originally written, violated natural law and is inherently illegitimate on those grounds.
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Except that the Constitution was an inherently illegal social contract because it violated the human rights of slaves until the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments changed it to officially disallow slavery.

    I can't be a traitor to a social contract that is inherently illegal.
    I'm with you on the natural law argument but the social contract idea does NOT describe the Constitution and a Constitution is not made illegal by violating natural law.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    It was illegal because it violated the human rights of slaves. That makes it illegitimate according to natural law until the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments were passed to disallow the institution of slavery. And natural law trumps constitutional law. Which was understood by our very Founding Fathers, as the violation of their human rights under natural law was their justification for their rebellion against the British Empire.
    No, it wasnt' illegal. You just don't like it.

    Who determines this natural, or higher, law?

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Natural law does, as codified by a rational understanding of the nature of the universe and the world.

    Natural law demands that people be free and not enslaved to others, especially on the premise of race. Therefore, the Constitution, as originally written, violated natural law and is inherently illegitimate on those grounds.
    Im asking who determines it? You? Should everyone ask you what the 'higher law' says?

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