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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Yes. Because the innate human rights enshrined by natural law of those enslaved trump any social contract. Including the Constitution.
    Fine. You resort to a higher law. The Southernor resorts to the Constitution. Makes you traitor to the Constitution.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quantrill View Post
    Fine. You resort to a higher law. The Southernor resorts to the Constitution. Makes you traitor to the Constitution.

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    By abandoning the Constitution to set up their own country, the Southerner is the traitor. The Northerner simply goes by his interpretation of the Constitution.
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quantrill View Post
    Fine. You resort to a higher law. The Southernor resorts to the Constitution. Makes you traitor to the Constitution.

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    Except that the Constitution was an inherently illegal social contract because it violated the human rights of slaves until the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments changed it to officially disallow slavery.

    I can't be a traitor to a social contract that is inherently illegal.
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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Except that the Constitution was an inherently illegal social contract because it violated the human rights of slaves until the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments changed it to officially disallow slavery.

    I can't be a traitor to a social contract that is inherently illegal.
    The allowance of slavery was illegal due to the fact that the Constitution existed to protect the rights of people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    The allowance of slavery was illegal due to the fact that the Constitution existed to protect the rights of people.
    Well, the allowance of slavery was illegal because it violated the human rights of the slaves, which is protected under natural law, which trumps constitutional law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quantrill View Post
    Your totally dismissing the framing of the Cosntitution which we have already discussed. You resort to just a general statement that if the government says so, then its so. But our Government is responsible to the Constitution and ammedments. Not just because they say so.

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    NO. What I am doing is stating what should be painfully obvious: if the government of the nation in which you reside DOES NOT recognize what you believe is a right, then you DO NOT HAVE THAT RIGHT.

    That is simple reality. No ideology can change that. No belief system can change that. No interpretation of history can change that. No statement of an individual who shares your belief can change that.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    I posted somewhere to someone about proving John Brown was moving freely in the North as a murderer and planning his raid on the South.

    The book I refer to is 'John Brown, Abolitionist', by David S. Reynolds. I would recommend the book though it is somewhat pro-Brown and what I would call anti-southern, but gives a fair treatement of him.

    Brown murdered 5 men and boys in May of 1856 at Pottawatomie Creek Kansas. " It is oftened maintained that the Transendentalists would not have supported John Brown had they suspected his role in the Pottawatomie murders. The evidence suggests, however, that they knew of it and yet embraced him anyway. A detailed report of the crime, and of Brown's involvement in it, had been on public record since 1856, when the Committee to Investigate the Troubles in Kansas described it on the floor of the United States House of Representatives in vivid testimony that was subsequently published. " p.221-222

    Brown would meet with many people in the north after these murders and after it was known. Most especially significant is the Mass. Legstate legislature to get support. He didn't get the support, but he was allowed to speak. "Introduced by Sanborn as a patriot with the blood of the Puritans and the Revolutionary generatin in his veins, Brown made an impressive showing....(saying nothing, of course, about Free State crimes, least of all Pottawatomie)." p.212-213

    It would be beneficial to read pages 138-238 to get the fuller picture of Brown and his Secret Six money men of the North and the Norths allowing him the freedom to roam and prepare for his attack upon the South.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    NO. What I am doing is stating what should be painfully obvious: if the government of the nation in which you reside DOES NOT recognize what you believe is a right, then you DO NOT HAVE THAT RIGHT.

    That is simple reality. No ideology can change that. No belief system can change that. No interpretation of history can change that. No statement of an individual who shares your belief can change that.

    It is what it is.
    No, that's not necessarily true. Because people have human rights under natural law. And any government that does not abide by those human rights is inherently illegal.

    The question then becomes whether or not the right of secession is a human right under natural law.

    And the answer it that secession is when the government violates human rights and the political process refuses to address those violations.

    In this case, the Southern states did not have the right to secede because they seceded in order to perpetuate human rights abuses. Therefore, their secession in order to continue the institution of slavery violates natural law, and therefore illegal.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    By abandoning the Constitution to set up their own country, the Southerner is the traitor. The Northerner simply goes by his interpretation of the Constitution.
    The South didn't abondon the Constitution.

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    Re: Texas secession?

    Yes you can. The Constitution is that which the Union is based on. You become traitor when you go against the Constitution. You can have all the higher law you want, lofty ideals, but it still makes you traitor to the Constitution.

    And the Constitution was not illegal.

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