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    Re: Should taxes for the middle class be raised on 1 January 2013

    We're in the same boat, thereby covering Utah, Arizona and Nevada. I avoided debt my whole life and thus enjoy my retirement and could easily pay a little more tax. My only gripe is the utter lack of interest paid on my savings due to the artificially low interest rates that (IMHO) are wrecking the economy.


    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    As retirees, our adjusted gross income is only about $60K for 2012, it won't affect us much if at all....
    Our 2 houses are paid for, our total debt isn't much, and will be zero soon.
    Without debt, it is not that hard to live well.
    I wonder when the govt will figure that out, and stop putting us deeper in debt.
    Both parties do it, and if that isn't unpatriotic, it is at least idiotic...

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    Re: Should taxes for the middle class be raised on 1 January 2013

    Yes, I am planning on another boom AND I see so many ways that spending could be drastically reduced without harm to anyone except a few zillionaires and a pack of thieves.

    Because of the ineffective ways of the financial hemorrhage, reverting the tax rates and avoiding the $35,000.00 toilet seat along with a more challenging interest rate, such money as the Government distributes could be more wisely invested in things of substance and future value. The present system is so totally Tammany (sp?) Hall that we're breeding a generation of traders and speculators while producers are left in the dust or go overseas to create things.

    The boom I predict is robots. I've been watching this minuscule industry and if our banks were investing in robot development companies instead of cotton and oil futures, we would be early online with a product that everyone in the world will want yet we are best at building (like airplanes, weapons and heavy construction equipment.

    The pre-Bush tax rates are actually very fair and will have almost no impact on lower income workers. We've been doing this guns AND butter thing for too longg. Wew need to collectively participate in restoring our country.

    Now, do I believe that our current crop of clowns playing politicians are smart enough or interested enough to recognize my genius n this regard? No, probably not. RThey'll porobably use the additional revenue to build statues of themselves. So, why am I supporting giving them more money? Because I'm an idiot who still holds out hope that we can change our ways and embrace the 21st Century. Wishful thinking. Oh, and they'll probably lower interest rates to zero so we can push the market to 13,500.....


    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    Unfortunately this isn't the 90's and it won't be anytime soon. The only reason spending rested at such reasonable levels in the 90's is because of the absolutely robust economic climate. The economy needed no prodding to incentivise growth, no stimulus to aid in job creation. It was self sustained and continuous growth. It also allowed taxes to be raised without the fear of negatively affecting employment. Our current situation however, is in direct contradiction. Cutting spending at this point could very well undermine already meager growth and further decrease consumption. (See the affects of modest local cuts and the corresponding dip in employment). Raising taxes on everyone (IE Clinton era levels) at this point would also exacerbate the problem. Most disposable income on lower to middle wage earners is currently being used to pay down debt or buy absolute necessities. Raising taxes and further reducing disposable income will not promote the growth necessary to pull us out of this cycle.
    Navy Pride: Under Clinton we had the dot com boom......are you planning on another one of them...

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    Re: Should taxes for the middle class be raised on 1 January 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Yes, I am planning on another boom AND I see so many ways that spending could be drastically reduced without harm to anyone except a few zillionaires and a pack of thieves.

    Because of the ineffective ways of the financial hemorrhage, reverting the tax rates and avoiding the $35,000.00 toilet seat along with a more challenging interest rate, such money as the Government distributes could be more wisely invested in things of substance and future value. The present system is so totally Tammany (sp?) Hall that we're breeding a generation of traders and speculators while producers are left in the dust or go overseas to create things.

    The boom I predict is robots. I've been watching this minuscule industry and if our banks were investing in robot development companies instead of cotton and oil futures, we would be early online with a product that everyone in the world will want yet we are best at building (like airplanes, weapons and heavy construction equipment.

    The pre-Bush tax rates are actually very fair and will have almost no impact on lower income workers. We've been doing this guns AND butter thing for too longg. Wew need to collectively participate in restoring our country.

    Now, do I believe that our current crop of clowns playing politicians are smart enough or interested enough to recognize my genius n this regard? No, probably not. RThey'll porobably use the additional revenue to build statues of themselves. So, why am I supporting giving them more money? Because I'm an idiot who still holds out hope that we can change our ways and embrace the 21st Century. Wishful thinking. Oh, and they'll probably lower interest rates to zero so we can push the market to 13,500.....
    I hear sex robots are coming.....
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    Re: Should taxes for the middle class be raised on 1 January 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    The problem is in the history of man kind no one has spent or put us in more debt then Hussein Obama........
    What is your point in referring to him by his middle name? Yes, it is his middle name... so what? It's not like he chose it. It's not like he uses it in daily life. It's not like he was born after people like Saddam came to power, and his parents chose it for that reason. Hence, it doesn't mean anything... AT ALL.

    It's simply juvenile crap, and it clearly demonstrates a complete and utter lack of objectivity in your thinking. If I can't trust you to think logically on something as meaningless as their given name, then I certainly cannot trust you to put rational thought into anything that needs rational thought. Your failure is already demonstrated and proven.
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    Re: Should taxes for the middle class be raised on 1 January 2013

    no vote
    define "middle class".
    I'd say that the so-called law-makers in Washington and around our nation have a lot of growing up to do...
    Bush's tax cuts should never have been in the first place, we should return to the rates of the Clinton era, or even before then...
    And NP, I'll say the same to you....your hatred and disrespect of our President...

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    Re: Should taxes for the middle class be raised on 1 January 2013

    Yes. We're mad as hell and we're not going to take it anymore.
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    I hear sex robots are coming.....

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    Re: Should taxes for the middle class be raised on 1 January 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    That is exactly what will happen if the Bush Tax cuts are cancelled..........you bracket will go from 10 to 15 percent and to 28 to 31 percent. That is what the Democrats and Hussein Obama want to pay for their social programs...........
    Why do you always refer to Barrack Obama by his middle and last name? I can understand referring to him by his last name,which I do all the time with most political figures. I can understand referring to him by his first name,which many people also do.But the only people on the planet I know who go by their middle name are a couple friends of mine and that is due to the fact they hate their first name. So why refer to Barrack Obama by his middle and last name? Are you trying to make some correlation between Barrack Obama and Saddam Hussein? Are you trying to imply that since his middle name is Hussein then he must be some dictator like Saddam Hussein? Or are you trying to imply that he must be a Mus-a-lim since his middle name is Hussein? You do realize that this sort of **** makes other conservatives look like conspiracy loons?
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    Re: Should taxes for the middle class be raised on 1 January 2013

    Either the Bush Tax Cuts get renewed for everyone or taxes go up on everyone. Quid pro quo. This for that.

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    Re: Should taxes for the middle class be raised on 1 January 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    Either the Bush Tax Cuts get renewed for everyone or taxes go up on everyone. Quid pro quo. This for that.
    thank God the GOP has the house-the dems would send a bill that hikes the taxes on the most productive tax payers and use class warfare to try to pass it. boehner should say-all or nothing. that seems FAIR to me

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    Re: Should taxes for the middle class be raised on 1 January 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    That is exactly what will happen if the Bush Tax cuts are cancelled..........you bracket will go from 10 to 15 percent and to 28 to 31 percent. That is what the Democrats and Hussein Obama want to pay for their social programs...........
    Yeah, and Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan don't want to cut the defense budget or subsidies to big business in order to decrease the federal deficit.

    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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