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Lesser evil or REAL elections?

Why do you vote?

  • I vote for Obama because he is right man for the job!

    Votes: 4 20.0%

  • I vote for Romney because he is right man for the job!

    Votes: 1 5.0%

  • I vote for Obama because I don't want Romney to win!

    Votes: 5 25.0%

  • I vote for Romney because I don't Obama want to win!

    Votes: 10 50.0%
  • Total voters
    20
I won't vote for either one of them because neither one of them comes anywhere near agreeing with my socio-political philosophies.
 
Cyrillic said:
Are USA elections like ones we have in EU or real ones?
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I am not voting for either one.I will vote for a 3rd party assuming there is one that matches my views and if my state doesn't screw 3rd party candidates this year.
If there is no 3rd party candidate I like or my state screws 3rd parties I will simply not check that part of the ballot. Now if Romney picks Gingrich as his running mate I might vote for Obama just because of the fact the GOP had the nerve to not only prop up one of the biggest RINOs for president but to have the epitome of scumbag politicians Gingrich run as VP.
 
I hope to someday live in an era where the candidate for president inspires my respect and awe. Hasn't happened yet for me.
 
So, elections in the EU are phony? Is that what the OP is saying?
 
tessaesque said:
I hope to someday live in an era where the candidate for president inspires my respect and awe. Hasn't happened yet for me.
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Agreed. There has never been a politician running in any race, in any party, in my life that I've actually wanted to see in power. People I could respect and would like to vote for simply do not run for office in the United States. We have an inherently corrupt political system. As such, I vote for the lesser of the evils because I recognize that someone is going to win, with or without my vote, I might as well try to minimize the damage.
 
Our elections are real...is there any ideal candidates, no there isnt and how can there be. No candidate can be a cookie cutter favorite of the majority just for himself....there are partisan divides, social and fiscal divides within any two candidates...
Our elections I would hope are the fairest in the world
 
tessaesque said:
I hope to someday live in an era where the candidate for president inspires my respect and awe. Hasn't happened yet for me.
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At first reagan had my respect...until It became obvious he was for the rich and took from the middleclass and gave to the rich...
 
Cyrillic said:
Are USA elections like ones we have in EU or real ones?
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I selected number four, but I can't address the question in your OP because I don't know much about EU elections. Are they phony? If so, why?
 
DiAnna said:
So, elections in the EU are phony? Is that what the OP is saying?
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I say there isn't party that would support my views in both Slovenia and Serbia. That is what I am saying. Last time there was guy who was I vote for him because he is good was Đinđić 10 years ago before CIA or SRS or DSS or mafia or whoever killed him.
I mean in Slovenia there isn't eurosceptic party or anti-NATO party or real communist party and all of these would get support from folks right away. I am saying that people aren't represented in good ways.
About Serbia - Well in Serbia there isn't I am socialist, conservative etc. There is I am ______ party. People see themselves via parties not views. That was in Serbia since 19. century.

EDIT: I need to make this clearer. So there was Communist party of Yugoslavia. They were commies and pan-Slavs. And all commies were pan-Slavs since that was policy. There was never Serbian communism only Yugoslav communism.

But I think this thing is in USA even bigger since there are 2 options.
 
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US election are 2 answer questions. Two party system cannot be fair and you fail if you think it is.
 
Tigger said:
I won't vote for either one of them because neither one of them comes anywhere near agreeing with my socio-political philosophies.
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How many people died for your right to vote? Many and you just throw it away, that is just like spitting in their face. That is what I think :)

jamesrage said:
I am not voting for either one.I will vote for a 3rd party assuming there is one that matches my views and if my state doesn't screw 3rd party candidates this year.
If there is no 3rd party candidate I like or my state screws 3rd parties I will simply not check that part of the ballot. Now if Romney picks Gingrich as his running mate I might vote for Obama just because of the fact the GOP had the nerve to not only prop up one of the biggest RINOs for president but to have the epitome of scumbag politicians Gingrich run as VP.
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You will just throw your vote away.
 
Cyrillic said:
How many people died for your right to vote? Many and you just throw it away, that is just like spitting in their face. That is what I think :)



You will just throw your vote away.
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Fortunately, Americans take their right to throw their vote away very seriously.
 
Cyrillic said:
I say there isn't party that would support my views in both Slovenia and Serbia. That is what I am saying. Last time there was guy who was I vote for him because he is good was Đinđić 10 years ago before CIA or SRS or DSS or mafia or whoever killed him.
I mean in Slovenia there isn't eurosceptic party or anti-NATO party or real communist party and all of these would get support from folks right away. I am saying that people aren't represented in good ways.
About Serbia - Well in Serbia there isn't I am socialist, conservative etc. There is I am ______ party. People see themselves via parties not views. That was in Serbia since 19. century.

EDIT: I need to make this clearer. So there was Communist party of Yugoslavia. They were commies and pan-Slavs. And all commies were pan-Slavs since that was policy. There was never Serbian communism only Yugoslav communism.

But I think this thing is in USA even bigger since there are 2 options.
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Oh, so you're saying that the EU elections are real... the votes aren't faked and ballot boxes stuffed like in some places *cough* Russia *cough*... but you personally don't like the choices you're given.
 
Elections in this country have pretty much been *lesser-of-two-evils* events here for about the past 20 or so years. Moreso since 2008. Our two primary party lines have become deeply divided along ideological lines, and those of us who don't fit neatly into either party are just relegated to choose between two candidates that we really don't much like.
 
Voter fraud exists in America as shown by the activities of A.C.O.R.N. . Institutionalized voter fraud also exists e.g. Chicago. Many States prohibit third parties by erecting high qualifications to recognize a third party my State of Oklahoma is one. Furthermore, my State had their ballots set up so that one could not skip voting for one section and have it recognized as a valid ballot. From my point of view neither of the two parties national committees Republican or Democrat represents the mainstream values of the people in Oklahoma though of course we are able to elect someone to Congress that is representative more or less. I do not know whether that comes close to an answer or not.
 
Cyrillic said:
Are USA elections like ones we have in EU or real ones?
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Don't know how they are in the EU. In America it's all a little puppet show. Some singing and dancing on both sides, but ultimately scripted and invented. There is no real political competition nor are there true differences in candidates.
 
Cyrillic said:
Are USA elections like ones we have in EU or real ones?
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It's really none of those options for me. It's not that I don't want either, but that I do think one is better than the other, though only marginally.
 
Cyrillic said:
How many people died for your right to vote? Many and you just throw it away, that is just like spitting in their face. That is what I think :)
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Most people would rather vote for someone they believe in than throw it away on the "lesser of two evils". Voting for someone you detest because you detest the other guy even more is spitting on the faces of those who died for your right to vote. You vote for someone because you actually believe they are the right person for the job. Not because NBC,CBS,FOX,PBS,ABC,CNN or MSNBC told you that so and so is the most viable candidate and not because one candidate is slightly less worse than the other candidate.

You will just throw your vote away.
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Voting for the lesser of two evils would be throwing away my vote. I would rather vote for someone I want in office.

If you had two bad kids would you reward the kid who busted your car passenger window while scolding the one who poured sugar down your car's gas tank? You wouldn't reward one child who got a all F+ on his report card while the other got all F- on her report card? If you keep voting for the lesser of two evils every election then what the hell do you think is going to happen? Do you think the parties will only improve if you keep voting for the lesser of two evils? No they won't improve.They will just keep getting worse and worse because your vote provides them with no incentive to change.
 
Ikari said:
Don't know how they are in the EU. In America it's all a little puppet show. Some singing and dancing on both sides, but ultimately scripted and invented. There is no real political competition nor are there true differences in candidates.
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The American presidential election amounts to TV wrestling. Like the tv wrestlers they all pretend to hate each other, they bad mouth each other and put on a show to amuse the die hard idiots who thinks it's real.
 
For the first time in my life, I will be selecting the option we Nevadans are offered - None Of The Above - although I might write in Ron Paul if I can.

If we were just choosing a leader, I might have gone for Romney who seems more competent than Obusha. Unfortunately, Romney is weighted down by his ridiculous party and I can't vote for someone who might feel obligated to manage social issues.

Realistically, we're going to end up with 4 more years of Obusha.
 
jamesrage said:
The American presidential election amounts to TV wrestling. Like the tv wrestlers they all pretend to hate each other, they bad mouth each other and put on a show to amuse the die hard idiots who thinks it's real.
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Sadly I think you're dead on.
 
Cyrillic said:
Are USA elections like ones we have in EU or real ones?
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That's a fair question. I certainly can't prove it, but there is more than enough information to suggest that our presidential elections are largely controlled at a level above the two ruling political parties. Money decides and big money selects the candidates. The people of the U.S. then vote on the choices made by big money. They really can't lose either way. George W. Bush was a perfect example of a presidential candidate selected by the powers that be. Obama sold out either before or right after becoming president. The final candidates of both parties are owned before they get to Washington.
 
I believe that no matter who is nominated, to a decent chunk of the population, each election is going to be seen as a lesser of two evils. No matter which segment that candidate attracts, those who are "ignored" will see that person as a "lesser evil" to an "evil." Further, there is a decent chunk of the population that is never pleased with anyone, ever.
 
Fiddytree said:
I believe that no matter who is nominated, to a decent chunk of the population, each election is going to be seen as a lesser of two evils. No matter which segment that candidate attracts, those who are "ignored" will see that person as a "lesser evil" to an "evil." Further, there is a decent chunk of the population that is never pleased with anyone, ever.
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True, true, and the process makes all of them look worse than they really are.
 
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