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Thread: For Obama voters only!

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    Re: For Obama voters only!

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I think Obama is easily the favorite, but it is far from a sure thing.
    I agree. . . . .

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    Re: For Obama voters only!

    Americans believe obama will win by a huge margin, and democrats are happier with obama, then republicans are with Romney. Having said that...this is the silly season for wildly swinging polls

    By a 56% to 36% margin, Americans think Barack Obama rather than Mitt Romney will win the 2012 presidential election. This is the case even though voters' preferences are evenly divided between the two candidates.


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    Re: For Obama voters only!

    Quote Originally Posted by leftofabbie View Post
    -No more denial of claims after paying premiums for decades
    Gov't dictating the market. If companies deny claims to people it's either A) For a good reason or B) The company sucks. What happens when a company sucks? They go under. In addition, doctors are kinda like Special Forces service members. You can't crank out more of them in a time of need. There is a process. Well, guess what. A time of need is coming if Obamacare goes into effect. It will equal LONG waits and horrible, fast food like service.

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    -No more denial of health insurance for PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS
    Again, gov't dicatating the market. A company should not be made to take on a client. A company should not HAVE to take on a guy who has been smoking for 40 years and has cancer. I don't advocate leaving the dude in the ditch, but, I especially don't advocate the gov't telling someone to cover the guy.

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    -Coverage for your kids until 26 years old
    Are they really kids that long? 26? That's ridiculous.

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    -Free health checkup every 6 mopnths
    No, it's not free. Someone has to pay for it. Guess who does that? The 54% of taxpayers who pay income tax.

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    -Free preventative health screening procedures for cancer and heart like mammograms, colonoscopies etc.
    See above
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    And then there's this...

    Health Plans Will Pay $1B Obamacare Rebate For Not Spending Enough On Care - Forbes


    That's a tidy billion dollars in the hands of Americans instead of for-profit insurance investors in London, Tokyo and Hong Kong.

    Personally, I advocate Medicare for All.
    Sorry bro, the math ain't adding up. 1 billion coming in for over a trillion going out just doesn't work. I don't care who's math you are using.
    Take it from someone who knows. I have been under Tricare (military insurance) for my entire adult life. It sucks. Having to search through doctors to see who takes your insurance, dealing with military hospitals where you wait in upwards of 10 hours for a simple ER visit. Getting pills thrown at you for everything instead of the doctor actually telling you how to fix stuff. Underskilled surgeons who hack you up when you go under the knife. It's a nightmare. Not to mention all of the countries around the world that have shown the example of what socialized medicine does. It's never worked. We should allow health insurance to be bought by the individual, just like car insurance. Seems to work good for them.
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    Re: For Obama voters only!

    I'm with Redress and Boo on this. I'm pretty sure Obama will win, but it's a long time until election day.
    "The measure off intelligence is the ability to change." Albert Einstein

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    Re: For Obama voters only!

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Assuming "conditions on the ground" mean things like unemployment and the economy, the answer is simple. The debates allow Americans to see who can best address "conditions on the ground." Considering that an election is a competition to see who can best address those "conditions," then it makes sense to see those as a pivotal part of the election process. The conditions, in and of themselves, aren't going to win an election. Convincing the public that you'll do something positive with them will.
    I know I am not supposed to be posting on this thread as I am not going to be an Obama voter, but you are correct about the debates being a pivotal point in elections. Close ones anyway. Carter was either not losing by much or in some polls even ahead until the debate with Reagan. When Bush was running against Dukakis, he had a marginal lead until Dukakis blew the debate against Bush. Bush took a solid lead after that and never looked back. GWB may have very well lost the 2000 election against Gore, but Gore underperformed in all of the debates which kept GWB in the election and ultimately winning it. There are many examples of debates which have shaped the outcome of the election.

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    Re: For Obama voters only!

    Quote Originally Posted by 00timh View Post
    GWB may have very well lost the 2000 election against Gore, but Gore underperformed in all of the debates which kept GWB in the election and ultimately winning it. There are many examples of debates which have shaped the outcome of the election.
    Hard to believe GWB actually won a debate against someone lol. I especially love this moment.
    Al Gore tries to Intimidate Fight George Bush at Debates Nod - YouTube
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    Re: For Obama voters only!

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    Do you really think that matters? It wasn't really an issue for the mainstream in 08, why would it be an issue after he's been in office for four years?
    Four years is a lot of time for negative press to marinade in its juices.
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    Re: For Obama voters only!

    While I agree about both not being good for America. I also see more republicans and conservative coming to the poles in full force just to oust Obama. I honestly think it will come down to which side has more voters show up.

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    Re: For Obama voters only!

    Right now, I think it depends on what decisions Obama makes before the election. At the top of that list would be to flip Biden and Clinton. If that happens, I feel more confident abotu a November victory for the Dems. Without it, maybe 50/50 especially if Romney picks Rubio as his VP.
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    Re: For Obama voters only!

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Right now, I think it depends on what decisions Obama makes before the election. At the top of that list would be to flip Biden and Clinton. If that happens, I feel more confident abotu a November victory for the Dems. Without it, maybe 50/50 especially if Romney picks Rubio as his VP.
    Flip Biden and Clinton? Huh, never heard that theory. He does need to get rid of Biden. The dude is a walking sound bite lol. Clinton wouldn't take the VP spot though. She wants to run in '16. That's just my opinion though.
    I don't know if Rubio is going to take the VP or not. I don't think he will. I think he is also looking to run in '16. I don't think the conservative base believes Romney is going to win.
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