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    Re: For Obama voters only!

    Obama has a few advantages over Romney at this point:

    -Obama is a war-time President
    -Obama currently has the vast majority of minority likely voters, and this trend hasn't really been bucked at any point the past year
    -Obama has a bigger war chest
    -The economy has improved
    -Osama bin Laden dead when he is president
    -Wants to raise taxes on the rich

    Things going aginst Obama:
    -He is black
    -THe economy hasn't improved like most had hoped
    -Added more short term spending
    -Wants to raise taxes on the rich, Republicans spend a lot of time and money trying to convince people they are either getting higher taxes too, or that taxing the rich will somehow personally hurt them


    I think however, he has the best chance out of the two with a win similar to the 96 election.
    "We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy." -Reagan

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    Re: For Obama voters only!

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Everybody knows he wouldn't keep every promise he made. All politicians do it. McCain was guilty of making impossible promises on the trail too. He is hurting, because the economy is still hurting. I wouldn't call Obama a royal **** up though, because he really hasn't ****ed anything up. The Obama Admin has a lot of foreign policy successes so far.

    When Obamacare goes into affect, and it's proven to be a massive failure, then you can fairly say he ****ed something up.... until then, the only folks going to call him a royal **** up are super Conservative/hacks who gave Bush a second term.
    I disagree wholeheartedly. President Obama has done a lot of things I would consider a **** up. Obamacare is a massive failure whether it goes into effect or not. The CBO has already shown we can't afford it 10 years from now. Not to mention it's unconstitutional. The debt is also a huge screw up. Yes, it was big before, but President Obama has put it into the unsustainable category with nothing to show for it besides a stagnant economy and unemployment rate. If unemployment was at 3-4% right now and the economy was booming, that would be a different story. He has doubled down on an unwinnable war. He has executed an American citizen with no trial. I could keep going. All of those go into a cumulative jacked up presidency. And I don't consider myself a super conservative or a hack nor did I vote for Bush either time.
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    Re: For Obama voters only!

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    I disagree wholeheartedly. President Obama has done a lot of things I would consider a **** up. Obamacare is a massive failure whether it goes into effect or not. The CBO has already shown we can't afford it 10 years from now. Not to mention it's unconstitutional. The debt is also a huge screw up. Yes, it was big before, but President Obama has put it into the unsustainable category with nothing to show for it besides a stagnant economy and unemployment rate. If unemployment was at 3-4% right now and the economy was booming, that would be a different story. He has doubled down on an unwinnable war. He has executed an American citizen with no trial. I could keep going. All of those go into a cumulative jacked up presidency. And I don't consider myself a super conservative or a hack nor did I vote for Bush either time.
    The healthcare act has not failed. Unemployment regardless is down, and the recovery act has helped many people and many states. That doubling down wasn't just his doing, it was generals and people that would have been in charge regardless of president. The military budget for the first time in 10 years hasn't grown, and by 2016 will be even lower.
    "We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy." -Reagan

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    Re: For Obama voters only!

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    The healthcare act has not failed. Unemployment regardless is down, and the recovery act has helped many people and many states. That doubling down wasn't just his doing, it was generals and people that would have been in charge regardless of president. The military budget for the first time in 10 years hasn't grown, and by 2016 will be even lower.
    I'd say it's a failure. The link is to yahoo news but it has the link to the CBO study entailed in the story.
    President Obama's landmark healthcare overhaul is projected to cost $1.76 trillion over a decade, reports the Congressional Budget Office, a hefty sum more than the $940 billion estimated when the healthcare legislation was signed into law. To put it mildly, ObamaCare's projected net worth is far off from its original estimate -- in fact, about $820 billion off.
    CBO: ObamaCare Price Tag Shifts from $940 Billion to $1.76 Trillion - Yahoo! News
    I never said the recovery act didn't help people or lower unemployment. However, he will have spent 6 trillion dollars in taxpayer money to do it. There's no bang for the buck.
    Afghanistan is his war. No two ways about it. He could've denied them the surge and brought us home whenever he wanted to. Instead, guys like me have gone over and fought with one hand tied behind our back just so it wouldn't look like we gave up too quickly. Blame Generals all you want. It wasn't their decision. It was their recommendation. He didn't have to take it.
    Sorry, but I'll be impressed with military spending cuts when we stop funding shrimp on treadmills and Pakistani Sesame Street projects.
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    Re: For Obama voters only!

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    I'd say it's a failure.
    It sure isn't perfect, but then perfection is the enemy of progress. Here's a few of the benefits...

    -No more denial of claims after paying premiums for decades

    -No more denial of health insurance for PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS

    -Coverage for your kids until 26 years old

    -Free health checkup every 6 mopnths

    -Free preventative health screening procedures for cancer and heart like mammograms, colonoscopies etc.

    -Lower seniors' prescription-drug prices by beginning to close the donut hole.

    -no lifetime caps anymore.

    -most policies have no annual caps

    And then there's this...

    Health Plans Will Pay $1B Obamacare Rebate For Not Spending Enough On Care - Forbes


    That's a tidy billion dollars in the hands of Americans instead of for-profit insurance investors in London, Tokyo and Hong Kong.

    Personally, I advocate Medicare for All.

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    Re: For Obama voters only!

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    Obama has a few advantages over Romney at this point:

    -Obama is a war-time President
    -Obama currently has the vast majority of minority likely voters, and this trend hasn't really been bucked at any point the past year
    -Obama has a bigger war chest
    -The economy has improved
    -Osama bin Laden dead when he is president
    -Wants to raise taxes on the rich

    Things going aginst Obama:
    -He is black
    -THe economy hasn't improved like most had hoped
    -Added more short term spending
    -Wants to raise taxes on the rich, Republicans spend a lot of time and money trying to convince people they are either getting higher taxes too, or that taxing the rich will somehow personally hurt them


    I think however, he has the best chance out of the two with a win similar to the 96 election.
    Also that report is talking about the cost of the healthcare bill until 2022. The initial estimate was covering from 2010 to 2012--the first two years far more money is spent in a short time to implement it than is spent in ten years after 2012.
    "We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy." -Reagan

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    Re: For Obama voters only!

    I think Obama will likely win. Romney is just too much like Clark Griswold.
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    Re: For Obama voters only!

    Quote Originally Posted by leftofabbie View Post
    It sure isn't perfect, but then perfection is the enemy of progress. Here's a few of the benefits...

    -No more denial of claims after paying premiums for decades

    -No more denial of health insurance for PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS

    -Coverage for your kids until 26 years old

    -Free health checkup every 6 mopnths

    -Free preventative health screening procedures for cancer and heart like mammograms, colonoscopies etc.

    -Lower seniors' prescription-drug prices by beginning to close the donut hole.

    -no lifetime caps anymore.

    -most policies have no annual caps

    And then there's this...

    Health Plans Will Pay $1B Obamacare Rebate For Not Spending Enough On Care - Forbes


    That's a tidy billion dollars in the hands of Americans instead of for-profit insurance investors in London, Tokyo and Hong Kong.

    Personally, I advocate Medicare for All.
    granted, but this compromise bill is fatally flawed in that it fails to address the fact that health care is an essential service with inelastic demand. given this, it seems highly unlikely that three levels of for-profit companies between the patient and the health care solution will ever perform cost effectively.

    if PPACA fails, though, it's as much or more the fault of the other side, who refused to even consider proposals which might have actually had a chance at success. a public option was the minimal solution that could have had a chance to do anything positive. the better course of action might have been to break off a few items of the bill (like pre-existing conditions, etc), pass those components, and then ditch the rest until the American people wake up and realize that many of them are going to go bankrupt if their kid breaks an arm. if that happens enough, eventually people will see just how flawed our delivery system really is.

    i don't blame Obama for anything other than setting the goalposts too far to the right from the very beginning. UHC should have been the firm initial offer. from there, we might have at least ended up with a public option.

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    Re: For Obama voters only!

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    It seems to me ya'll are placing alot more emphasis on the debates vice the conditions on the ground than we are. Wonder why that is.
    Because people like you can twist the situation on the ground to your liking, so instead of talking about real things, we have to waste all our time countering your baseless arguments.

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    Re: For Obama voters only!

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    Things going ag[a]inst Obama: he is black...
    Do you really think that matters? It wasn't really an issue for the mainstream in 08, why would it be an issue after he's been in office for four years?

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