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    Re: For Obama voters only!

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    It seems to me ya'll are placing alot more emphasis on the debates vice the conditions on the ground than we are. Wonder why that is.
    The conditions on the ground are subject to spin. You are basing your opinion on your spin, while we are basing oour opinion on our spin of the conditions of the ground, ie that things are improving.
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    Re: For Obama voters only!

    Two things Obama has against him that will weigh heavy, Natl Debt and Gas Prices. If gas spikes high ($4+) range before Nov and how much Romney is able to correlate rising debt with poor economic performance.
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    Re: For Obama voters only!

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The conditions on the ground are subject to spin.
    I don't know. Claims that we have turned an economic corner and are headed up are the ads that so far poll the worst (from what I understand). The American people are more likely to think that we are currently in a recession than currently in a recovery.

    You are basing your opinion on your spin, while we are basing our opinion on our spin of the conditions of the ground, ie that things are improving.
    And you think that people will buy that? You think Europe will last through the summer?

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    Re: For Obama voters only!

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    It seems to me ya'll are placing alot more emphasis on the debates vice the conditions on the ground than we are. Wonder why that is.
    The conditions on the ground currently is that he is pretty much neck and neck with Romney in the polls (because of, or in spite of the economic conditions, depending on how you look at it.)
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    Re: For Obama voters only!

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Romney is smarter than Obama. Romney has more real world experience. Obama has more Foreign policy experience. Obama also has a crappy record to defend. it depends if the debates are real debates or nothing more than speeches
    If they're real debates it may be hard for Romney to remember what his story is at the moment.
    When you spin like a weather vane it must be difficult to know which way you're pointing.
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    Re: For Obama voters only!

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    If they're real debates it may be hard for Romney to remember what his story is at the moment.
    When you spin like a weather vane it must be difficult to know which way you're pointing.
    Romney will have no problem remembering obama is a failure and he is not

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    Re: For Obama voters only!

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    The conditions on the ground currently is that he is pretty much neck and neck with Romney in the polls (because of, or in spite of the economic conditions, depending on how you look at it.)
    Precisely. He is neck-and-neck with a challenger who doesn't excite his base, who feels like white bread, who just got done with a long, bruising primary, who has been running into a media smash campaign, and who doesn't connect well with average voters. And he is already neck-and-neck months out - under conditions when traditionally undecideds break against an incumbent. Voter impressions of the economy tend to lag a bit - and the economy did better in the first quarter than it did in the second and looks to do in the third. What we are seeing right now are likely to be the best conditions Obama gets... and he is neck and neck.
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    Re: For Obama voters only!

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    Debates are months away and you're playing the race card already? This has to be some sort of record.
    You've got to be kidding? We've seen the worst bigotry in the country since the 1950s and you're calling it the "race card." It's not a card. It's real racism, usually minus the N word, but real enough. Instead of calling him that, they call him "Hussein Obama" or "the Kenyan." Romney's got a huge pool of bigotry to tap into. All he has to do is be subtle enough. There is no race "card". There's only 100 percent guaranteed bigotry that will be used. George HW Bush used it by putting the big scary black guy on TV. Romney will use it too. If by some miracle he doesn't, I'll commend him.

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    Re: For Obama voters only!

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Romney will have no problem remembering obama is a failure and he is not
    I'm certainly counting on Romney's arrogance to loose votes.
    Last edited by MoSurveyor; 05-14-12 at 11:10 PM.
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    Re: For Obama voters only!

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Precisely. He is neck-and-neck with a challenger who doesn't excite his base, who feels like white bread, who just got done with a long, bruising primary, who has been running into a media smash campaign, and who doesn't connect well with average voters. And he is already neck-and-neck months out - under conditions when traditionally undecideds break against an incumbent. Voter impressions of the economy tend to lag a bit - and the economy did better in the first quarter than it did in the second and looks to do in the third. What we are seeing right now are likely to be the best conditions Obama gets... and he is neck and neck.
    Undecideds break for the challenger every time, yet that didn't prevent Reagan, Clinton, and Bush 2 from getting re-elected. Undecideds don't determine elections.

    And at this point, there's simply no telling what will happen within the next few months that might swing the polls either way. It's simply too early to come to the conclusion that "these are likely the best conditions Obama gets." Things could get a hell of a lot worse, they could also unexpectedly get better.
    Last edited by StillBallin75; 05-14-12 at 11:11 PM.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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