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    Re: For Obama voters only!

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    It's not a strawman if it shows that it's common practice among presidents to do this kind of thing. If you bitched about Obama taking a vacation I would also point to other presidents taking vacations. It's typical behavior for any president to do these things and unworthy of any special attention in debate.
    So, by your account, we can't "bitch" about anything any POTUS has done if another has done it before? You are fine with something that should not be a common practice simply because it is a common practice? In addition, President Obama is clearly the most socially involved POTUS we have ever had. I don't ever remember a POTUS going on ESPN to give them his NCAA tourney bracket. I don't recall a POTUS discussing TV shows with people on a regular basis, much less a reality show. It is a very worthy of special attention in a debate when the POTUS fails to address the Senate serving during his Presidency is breaking Federal law for 3 straight years by not passing a budget yet has time to do the aforementioned things. But if you're good with that, that's your perogative.
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    Re: For Obama voters only!

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    So, by your account, we can't "bitch" about anything any POTUS has done if another has done it before? You are fine with something that should not be a common practice simply because it is a common practice? In addition, President Obama is clearly the most socially involved POTUS we have ever had. I don't ever remember a POTUS going on ESPN to give them his NCAA tourney bracket. I don't recall a POTUS discussing TV shows with people on a regular basis, much less a reality show. It is a very worthy of special attention in a debate when the POTUS fails to address the Senate serving during his Presidency is breaking Federal law for 3 straight years by not passing a budget yet has time to do the aforementioned things. But if you're good with that, that's your perogative.
    No, you can bitch all you want. But you shouldn't be too surprised when someone else also bitches about the same thing, whether it's the current Pres or not.

    Personally, I wish they would ALL, POTUS and Congress, pay much more attention to their job. However, the system we live in suggests they will all continue to pander to the Media more than work with each other.

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    And, quite frankly, no one knows what goes on behind closed doors in DC. For all we know he has been urging them to do something - but that doesn't mean they have to listen to him. After all, they are separate branches of government. One does not report to the other.
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    Re: For Obama voters only!

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Ed:
    And, quite frankly, no one knows what goes on behind closed doors in DC. For all we know he has been urging them to do something - but that doesn't mean they have to listen to him. After all, they are separate branches of government. One does not report to the other.
    What I do know is that he calls out John Boehner and the House pubicly all the time. Just wondering why the double standard is all. Wait, nevermind, I know why. It's that whole (D) thing. Partisan hackery is really getting old with our gov't, I think we can agree.
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    Re: For Obama voters only!

    Anyone who is very sure is undermining the "adaptiblity" of Romney. He can form to any situation that pops up. That is good in that that is a key characteristic of a president, however he has proven that he abuses it. He forms not to better policy, but to better his position. I think Obama has been a decent president so far and that the right is selling his accomplishments short. I'm not one for pointing fingers but I dont think that we should elect someone from a party who put their country behind their personal gain. Saying that their main goal is to make Obama a one term president could very well be a vital mistake. One of my favorite quotes said by my basketball coach who he got from who knows where :"The main thing is to make the main thing the main thing." So far, the Republicans in power have not done so with the exception of a select few. The greatest example is Boehner with the default crisis. He made a deal with Obama and other advisors, said it was good, and then came on tv and was against a deal that he helped construct. I think Romney would do the same thing as it would make him look like a conservative savior. His track record in Mass was good, yet he hides the actual what of what he did as if it were despicable. Either way, I don't think that either presidency will be all bad. The only candidates that I feared are out. Romney is a seasoned politician and knows his way around a government. I think it's gonna he really close, but I think Obama will have his glove raised at the final bell
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    Re: For Obama voters only!

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    What I do know is that he calls out John Boehner and the House pubicly all the time. Just wondering why the double standard is all. Wait, nevermind, I know why. It's that whole (D) thing. Partisan hackery is really getting old with our gov't, I think we can agree.
    Partisanship is crushing America. Compromise is the only way to work. No one side is completely correct, but both sides together is incredibly strong. That's why the 90's was filled with success; we had success together in government.
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    Re: For Obama voters only!

    Quote Originally Posted by TheLastIndependent View Post
    Partisanship is crushing America. Compromise is the only way to work. No one side is completely correct, but both sides together is incredibly strong. That's why the 90's was filled with success; we had success together in government.
    Things were different in the 90's. The left is more far left and the right doesn't know what it believes anymore. We need a new party, preferably a libertarian like party, to gain traction.
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    Re: For Obama voters only!

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Things were different in the 90's. The left is more far left and the right doesn't know what it believes anymore. We need a new party, preferably a libertarian like party, to gain traction.
    The polarization of the parties can be fixed though. When the silent majority steps up and says that they arent afraid to compromise, then we will have a strong nation. As long as this loud, obnoxious, and relatively small group of legislators are yelling, we will have a mess. The simplest solution is using the democratic process and voting these people out. A third party would be nice, but further complicates our already Byzantine government.
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    Re: For Obama voters only!

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Just wondering why the double standard is all. Wait, nevermind, I know why. It's that whole (D) thing. Partisan hackery is really getting old with our gov't, I think we can agree.
    It's that whole (R) thing, as well, which is what I've been trying to say for three posts. Yes, it's partisan hackery.


    I've been watching this circus awhile but regardless of how bad things got in public, these guys usually knew they were there to take the lumps & bumps and get **** done. Today they've lost that, they don't want to negotiate, it's either their way or the highway. Well, it doesn't work that way in DC. Insisting on everything being your own way only stalls the process, so nothing moves forward.
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    Re: For Obama voters only!

    Quote Originally Posted by TheLastIndependent View Post
    The polarization of the parties can be fixed though. When the silent majority steps up and says that they arent afraid to compromise, then we will have a strong nation. As long as this loud, obnoxious, and relatively small group of legislators are yelling, we will have a mess. The simplest solution is using the democratic process and voting these people out. A third party would be nice, but further complicates our already Byzantine government.
    Eh, you get more of the same from the two parties because of the role of money in our politics. Superpacs aren't going to back Joe Schmo. They will back the guy that will scratch their back once elected. In other words, they will back the typical politician. Not an honest American. Also, the uneducated masses that is the American population sees John Doe (R) and John Doe II (D) on the ballot and votes for what their parents voted for or the name they are most familiar with. Voting people out sounds all well and good, but, I just don't have the confidence in our population that A) Isn't smart enough to figure it out B) Doesnt care enough to figure it out C) Continues to elect nuts like this lady
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    Re: For Obama voters only!

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Things were different in the 90's. The left is more far left and the right doesn't know what it believes anymore. We need a new party, preferably a libertarian like party, to gain traction.
    The right is more far right as well. What both sides are missing is the "old fashioned" conservatives. Yes, there used to be things like that, conservative D's and conservative R's. D's that understood the need for a strong military and R's that weren't afraid of social programs and education, especially the latter. We've lost that group in DC because media sensationalism has taken over politics. (To some extent it's also altered the public worldview.) The ones heard more and more are the radicals on both sides, so we end up with more of them in DC.
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