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    Re: For Obama voters only!

    Toss up...it comes down to the economy and there's so many things that could cause problems from Europe to those numbskulls on Wall Street losing in a big bet.
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    Re: For Obama voters only!

    While the President has their purpose and power, what really matters is who is in Congress.

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    Re: For Obama voters only!

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    While the President has their purpose and power, what really matters is who is in Congress.
    Couldn't agree more. President Obama can be re-elected but it won't matter if the Democrats lose the Senate. I believe they are dangerously close to doing that. While some of the "Tea Party" candidates elected into the House have been underwhelming (the debt ceiling cave in comes to mind), I believe people are willing to keep with what we have in the House and see what a Republican heavy legislative looks like. The Dems in the Senate are entirely too comfortable IMO. Harry Reid needs to go as the Senate majority leader. The guy acts like he's just got done running 10 miles everytime you see him. His woe is me, we work so hard up here act is getting old.
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    Re: For Obama voters only!

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Couldn't agree more. President Obama can be re-elected but it won't matter if the Democrats lose the Senate. I believe they are dangerously close to doing that. While some of the "Tea Party" candidates elected into the House have been underwhelming (the debt ceiling cave in comes to mind), I believe people are willing to keep with what we have in the House and see what a Republican heavy legislative looks like. The Dems in the Senate are entirely too comfortable IMO. Harry Reid needs to go as the Senate majority leader. The guy acts like he's just got done running 10 miles everytime you see him. His woe is me, we work so hard up here act is getting old.
    I think the debt ceiling thing as a whole hurt the "tea party" brand. Being so unwilling to compromise that they would rather have our country not pay our bills was not good.
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    Re: For Obama voters only!

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Well, an ad saying we had turned the corner would probably be pretty clearly false. Saying things are improving as opposed to getting worse, that would be accurate. Can you link to what you have heard on ad polling?
    yes - http://www.cpwill-is-pretty-sure-he-...o-long-ago.com

    it's pretty much an unimpeachable source

    Things are improving. That is factual. I am not going to make any prediction about Europe, neither you nor I know nor can predict accurately what will happen there.
    I don't know that things are improving - when more people are dropping out of the workforce alltogether than are getting jobs... I have a hard time selling that to myself as "gaining ground" if we are even holding steady . And it's going to get worse. Dammit. I'm not one for saying "deserve" or "entitle"... but people deserve better than this.

    I base mine in part on betting odds which have Obama at 59.1 % to win re-election. Also looking at electoral maps.
    I dunno. I've been saying for some time that I think lots of "safe" Obama states such as Wisconsin might be in play. And now people are starting to realize it. I think this is going to be a depressed base election, and one base is significantly more excited than the other (which admittedly is easier to be when one is the opposition).

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    Re: For Obama voters only!

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    yes - http://www.cpwill-is-pretty-sure-he-...o-long-ago.com

    it's pretty much an unimpeachable source



    I don't know that things are improving - when more people are dropping out of the workforce alltogether than are getting jobs... I have a hard time selling that to myself as "gaining ground" if we are even holding steady . And it's going to get worse. Dammit. I'm not one for saying "deserve" or "entitle"... but people deserve better than this.



    I dunno. I've been saying for some time that I think lots of "safe" Obama states such as Wisconsin might be in play. And now people are starting to realize it. I think this is going to be a depressed base election, and one base is significantly more excited than the other (which admittedly is easier to be when one is the opposition).
    I don't see how people are going to be excited about Romney.
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    Re: For Obama voters only!

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    I don't see how people are going to be excited about Romney.
    they aren't. But the conservative base is excited about firing President Obama. More so, I think, than the Democrat base is excited about reelecting him.

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    Re: For Obama voters only!

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    yes - www.cpwill-is-pretty-sure-he-heard-that-on-some-television-show-in-the-background-not-too-long-ago.com

    it's pretty much an unimpeachable source



    I don't know that things are improving - when more people are dropping out of the workforce alltogether than are getting jobs... I have a hard time selling that to myself as "gaining ground" if we are even holding steady . And it's going to get worse. Dammit. I'm not one for saying "deserve" or "entitle"... but people deserve better than this.



    I dunno. I've been saying for some time that I think lots of "safe" Obama states such as Wisconsin might be in play. And now people are starting to realize it. I think this is going to be a depressed base election, and one base is significantly more excited than the other (which admittedly is easier to be when one is the opposition).
    You get a like for the amusing link.

    Polls this far out are basically meaningless, I am not worried much about Wisconsin where a lot of things are going on. I would bet on it settling down.

    If you have a hard time telling yourself things are getting better, you are blinding yourself with partisanship. The economy is growing where it was not for awhile. Employment is slowly improving, where it was rapidly getting worse.
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    Re: For Obama voters only!

    Employment is improving more because people are getting discouraged and dropping out all together. Hard to sell that as a win. Economy improving? Growth is anemic, and may not even exist, once you take into account real inflation that includes the pocket-book expenses of food and energy. I would suspect that the only people who think that the economy is really getting that much better are those who are looking for it to. And Europe's problems have only just begun; that will be a slug we take to the face some time over the summer/fall.

    But Obama should be cleaning up in Wisconsin. I'm going to hold to my prediction that Walker wins the recall and that puts Wisconsin in play in November.

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    Re: For Obama voters only!

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    they aren't. But the conservative base is excited about firing President Obama. More so, I think, than the Democrat base is excited about reelecting him.
    I wouldve thought that too...but all the polls say the opposite that obamas base is more excited about him than romneys....by all the polls I mean rasmussen and gallup

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