View Poll Results: Is signing Norquist's anti-tax pledge un-American?

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Thread: Who are Norquist pledge-signers loyal to - the American People or someone else?

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    Who are Norquist pledge-signers loyal to - the American People or someone else?

    The Pledge: Grover Norquist's hold on the GOP - CBS News

    Pledging ourselves out of democracy | The Great Debate

    If anyone were to suggest that members of the House and Senate should abandon their own judgment and instead follow a strict dogma laid down by an outside body, we would be appalled. And if it were proposed that the president should be little more than a rubber stamp to sign any and all legislation presented to him by Congress, we would throw up our hands in horror.


    So, is signing Norquist's "no tax" pledge disloyal to Americans?

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    Re: Who are Norquist pledge-signers loyal to - the American People or someone else?

    I would think that the Norquist pledge is BS and changes representatives loyalty. If their constituents demand a tax raise, say to cover a deficit, will the congressperson reflect the wishes of the people or one specific private individual's piece of paper?

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    Re: Who are Norquist pledge-signers loyal to - the American People or someone else?

    It's not a matter of being a loyal American or not. It's a matter of PRINCIPLES; which are something this nation's political system lost contact with a long time ago.

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    Re: Who are Norquist pledge-signers loyal to - the American People or someone else?

    Speaking your beliefs and signing petitions/pledges isn't anti-American inasmuch as OWS and their "demands."
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    Re: Who are Norquist pledge-signers loyal to - the American People or someone else?

    As politicians, signers of the pledge must believe that signing the pledge is a net positive for their political status. Right now, the biggest worry most politicians have isn't winning elections (especially if you look at house and senate elections), but winning primaries. This tax pledge is a "great" way for Republicans to affirm their "right"eousness.

    I don't think the pledge is inherently un-American or pro-American. It ultimately, however, handicaps a politician, because breaking any kind of pledge will damage them in the eyes of the voters.

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    Re: Who are Norquist pledge-signers loyal to - the American People or someone else?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    It's not a matter of being a loyal American or not. It's a matter of PRINCIPLES; which are something this nation's political system lost contact with a long time ago.
    Yeah, it's too bad we don't have any principled anti-segregation congressmen anymore. Principals are great, it's why gays are still a targeted minority by the federal government. It's why we had a Civil War. Yeah, unmovable ideological principles are something we are desperately missing these days.

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    Re: Who are Norquist pledge-signers loyal to - the American People or someone else?

    Quote Originally Posted by leftofabbie View Post
    The Pledge: Grover Norquist's hold on the GOP - CBS News

    Pledging ourselves out of democracy | The Great Debate

    If anyone were to suggest that members of the House and Senate should abandon their own judgment and instead follow a strict dogma laid down by an outside body, we would be appalled. And if it were proposed that the president should be little more than a rubber stamp to sign any and all legislation presented to him by Congress, we would throw up our hands in horror.


    So, is signing Norquist's "no tax" pledge disloyal to Americans?
    Its a anti-tax increase pledge. Funny how you left the Increase part out in order to make it seem as though republicans want to abolish taxes altogether.


    It could argued that not signing Norquits no tax increase pledge is disloyal to America. These clowns in office already spend more then what they receive. So why on God's green earth do you think its a smart idea to give these clowns more money? Do you honestly think these clowns in office are going to magically stop increasing the amount of money they spend just because you give them more money? If these people were actually serious about reducing the debt they would start cutting programs left and right and get back to the basic. Make the cuts first and then talk increases.
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    Re: Who are Norquist pledge-signers loyal to - the American People or someone else?

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    Yeah, it's too bad we don't have any principled anti-segregation congressmen anymore. Principals are great, it's why gays are still a targeted minority by the federal government. It's why we had a Civil War. Yeah, unmovable ideological principles are something we are desperately missing these days.
    It was also principled people who ended reconstruction, prevented the impeachment of Andrew Johnson, pushed forward women's suffrage and civil rights, and ended a war in Vietnam. Principle swings both ways.

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    Re: Who are Norquist pledge-signers loyal to - the American People or someone else?

    Seeing as it's a pledge to America taxpayers, only enforceable with possible electoral consequences following overtly lying to the folks you're supposed to represent, this criticism has never made sense.

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    Re: Who are Norquist pledge-signers loyal to - the American People or someone else?

    Quote Originally Posted by leftofabbie View Post
    The Pledge: Grover Norquist's hold on the GOP - CBS News

    Pledging ourselves out of democracy | The Great Debate
    If anyone were to suggest that members of the House and Senate should abandon their own judgment and instead follow a strict dogma laid down by an outside body, we would be appalled. And if it were proposed that the president should be little more than a rubber stamp to sign any and all legislation presented to him by Congress, we would throw up our hands in horror.


    So, is signing Norquist's "no tax" pledge disloyal to Americans?
    "American"-Of, relating to, or characteristic of the United States or its inhabitants.

    By definition it is perfectly American since signing petitions and pledges has been done for the entire history of our country. If you want to make a point that signing this pledge was a bad thing, arguments could be made for that, but this is not one of them. This is just plain old hyper-partisan stupidity.
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