View Poll Results: Is signing Norquist's anti-tax pledge un-American?

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Thread: Who are Norquist pledge-signers loyal to - the American People or someone else?

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    Re: Who are Norquist pledge-signers loyal to - the American People or someone else?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    "American"-Of, relating to, or characteristic of the United States or its inhabitants.

    By definition it is perfectly American since signing petitions and pledges has been done for the entire history of our country. If you want to make a point that signing this pledge was a bad thing, arguments could be made for that, but this is not one of them. This is just plain old hyper-partisan stupidity.
    I disagree, some of those who sign the pledge are coerced into signing. I think there is an implied "sign it if you want to keep your job."


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    Re: Who are Norquist pledge-signers loyal to - the American People or someone else?

    The idea that refusing to raise taxes is some kind of ideological principle is moronic. Its about as stupid as mechanic who claims his moral prevent him from ever adjusting a carburetor to run a leaner mixture. Taxation level need to adjusted as circumstances change, that means both raising and lowering taxes in different situations.

    In 1990 George H Bush cut a deal with double democratic majority, in which he conceded a slight tax increase for many times its number in spending cuts, in addition to the PAYGO requirements. He was politically crucified for breaking Norquists pledge, but the policy played a significant part in lowering the deficit.

    The real question is do you want someone who talks about "fiscal conservatism" while running up record debts or somehow who actually gets it done in reality?

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    Re: Who are Norquist pledge-signers loyal to - the American People or someone else?

    Quote Originally Posted by leftofabbie View Post
    You're right, it's a pro-tax pledge.

    The pledge doesn't call for the elimination of taxes so yes it could be considered a pro-tax pledge. Are any republicans calling for the elimination of all taxes? Again the pledge is a anti-tax increase pledge not a anti-tax pledge. Why are you so blatantly dishonest?
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    Re: Who are Norquist pledge-signers loyal to - the American People or someone else?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    I disagree, some of those who sign the pledge are coerced into signing. I think there is an implied "sign it if you want to keep your job."
    How would those asking republicans to sign a no tax-increase pledge be able to fire those that don't? Firing a politcian is something that can only be done by the voters.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Who are Norquist pledge-signers loyal to - the American People or someone else?

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    principles my arse....these 'representatives' sold out their constituents...they were elected to represent their districts/states, not the will of norquist.

    They were elected to represent the interest of their voters.No tax-increases or lower taxes is generally one of those things republicans run on. So how can signing a document that reinforces that idea of no tax-increase or lower taxes be selling out their constituents? It would be no different than Nanci Pelosi, or some other liberal democrat signing a pro-abortion pledge or a pro-gay marriage pledge when liberal democrats generally run on those issues.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Who are Norquist pledge-signers loyal to - the American People or someone else?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Exactly. These people who pledge their ass to Grover should be run out of Congress.
    Disagreed. If you even hesitate to promise to the taxpayers of this country that you won't be a good steward of the already excessive amount of capital they give Washington every year to squander, your ass needs to be run out on a rail.

    If you don't support a balanced budget amendment, your ass needs to be run out on a rail.

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    Re: Who are Norquist pledge-signers loyal to - the American People or someone else?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    How would those asking republicans to sign a no tax-increase pledge be able to fire those that don't? Firing a politcian is something that can only be done by the voters.
    It's not about firing anyone. It's about funding candidates who will agree to sign the pledge.


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    Re: Who are Norquist pledge-signers loyal to - the American People or someone else?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    I disagree, some of those who sign the pledge are coerced into signing. I think there is an implied "sign it if you want to keep your job."
    welcome to the big leagues kid. That is always the case with politicians. you piss off your constituents you lose.

    The biggest problem with politicians is they think they are entitled to their offices

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    Re: Who are Norquist pledge-signers loyal to - the American People or someone else?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    It's not about firing anyone. It's about funding candidates who will agree to sign the pledge.

    Remember what they say

    MONEY TALKS-BS walks.

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    Re: Who are Norquist pledge-signers loyal to - the American People or someone else?

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Disagreed. If you even hesitate to promise to the taxpayers of this country that you won't be a good steward of the already excessive amount of capital they give Washington every year to squander, your ass needs to be run out on a rail.

    If you don't support a balanced budget amendment, your ass needs to be run out on a rail.
    some people can only get or hold power by squandering the wealth of some to buy the votes of others

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