View Poll Results: Is signing Norquist's anti-tax pledge un-American?

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  • Signing Norquist's pledge is anti-American

    13 56.52%
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    2 8.70%
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Thread: Who are Norquist pledge-signers loyal to - the American People or someone else?

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    Re: Who are Norquist pledge-signers loyal to - the American People or someone else?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    how many of obama small donors are repeaters?

    Some, no doubt, but the count is almost 2 million separate donations as I write this...

    https://donate.barackobama.com/page/...3b7cf969e78e05

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    Re: Who are Norquist pledge-signers loyal to - the American People or someone else?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post

    I thought Dodd-Frank did that. Was I wrong?

    Dodd-Frank has all the teeth of a marshmallow.

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    Re: Who are Norquist pledge-signers loyal to - the American People or someone else?

    Quote Originally Posted by leftofabbie View Post
    Dodd-Frank has all the teeth of a marshmallow.
    Exactly my point but it was/has been heralded as 'got to' pass legislation that will eliminate 'too big to fail' by those who promoted it. At the time it was passed the Democrats held the majority in both houses AND the WH. And after passage they all threw their arms out of socket patting themselves on the back. Unfortunately the American public was hornswagled...again...by the other side this time.

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    Re: Who are Norquist pledge-signers loyal to - the American People or someone else?

    Quote Originally Posted by leftofabbie View Post
    Some, no doubt, but the count is almost 2 million separate donations as I write this...

    https://donate.barackobama.com/page/...3b7cf969e78e05
    So what's your take on this:

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    Re: Who are Norquist pledge-signers loyal to - the American People or someone else?

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    It's only a prerequisite to win a primary if the people voting in that primary consider the pledge (or its verbal equivalent) a minimum expectation before offering a candidate their support.

    I have shown you the text of the pledge. I fail to see why "who wrote it?" matters more than "what's in it?" and "who is it pledging to?"
    The text is irrelevant, this "pledge" makes the signer responsible to an entity other than the American People. And it does matter where this pledge is coming from, it matters a lot. Look up the Jack Abramoff scandal. ATR, and Grover Norquist were both heavily involved.
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    Re: Who are Norquist pledge-signers loyal to - the American People or someone else?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    The text is irrelevant, this "pledge" makes the signer responsible to an entity other than the American People.
    House

    "I, _______________, pledge to the taxpayers of the _____ district
    of the state of__________, and to the American people..."

    * * *

    Senate

    "I, _______________ , pledge to the taxpayers of the state
    of of__________, and to the American people..."


    Nope, you're wrong.

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    Re: Who are Norquist pledge-signers loyal to - the American People or someone else?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Exactly my point but it was/has been heralded as 'got to' pass legislation that will eliminate 'too big to fail' by those who promoted it. At the time it was passed the Democrats held the majority in both houses AND the WH. And after passage they all threw their arms out of socket patting themselves on the back. Unfortunately the American public was hornswagled...again...by the other side this time.

    Both sides. It passed with overwhelming bipartisan support.
    "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." (Bertrand Russell, 1872 - 1970)

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    Re: Who are Norquist pledge-signers loyal to - the American People or someone else?

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    House

    "I, _______________, pledge to the taxpayers of the _____ district
    of the state of__________, and to the American people..."

    * * *

    Senate

    "I, _______________ , pledge to the taxpayers of the state
    of of__________, and to the American people..."


    Nope, you're wrong.

    In my humble opinion, it's not the 'who' of the pledge, it's the what. Essentially, signers are saying that regardless of what happens to our country, no matter what new facts are brought to light, no matter what events occur, I've already made up my mind.

    That's just stupid. I don't happen to think it's unpatriotic. But it sure is dumb.
    "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." (Bertrand Russell, 1872 - 1970)

    "A wise man will change his mind. A fool never will." (My Grandma)

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    Re: Who are Norquist pledge-signers loyal to - the American People or someone else?

    I don't see much difference in pledging this pledge or pledging to be a member of a political party.... there are good, and similar, arguments as to why both are distasteful.

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    Re: Who are Norquist pledge-signers loyal to - the American People or someone else?

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    House

    "I, _______________, pledge to the taxpayers of the _____ district
    of the state of__________, and to the American people..."

    * * *

    Senate

    "I, _______________ , pledge to the taxpayers of the state
    of of__________, and to the American people..."


    Nope, you're wrong.
    Easy to say after conveniently ignoring the rest of my post. ATR and Norquist don't give a **** about the American People, they're out to line their own pockets.
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