View Poll Results: Is signing Norquist's anti-tax pledge un-American?

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  • Signing Norquist's pledge is anti-American

    13 56.52%
  • Signing Norquist's pledge is pro-American

    2 8.70%
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    8 34.78%
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Thread: Who are Norquist pledge-signers loyal to - the American People or someone else?

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    Re: Who are Norquist pledge-signers loyal to - the American People or someone else?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    i'm sure he will lead obama in wall street contributions.. but let's not pretend Obama isn't going after and taking wall street money.. he most certainly is.

    how much of a funding lead does Obama have?.. is it still 10 to 1?
    Obama's donation are smaller amounts from many donors vs Romeny's bigger donations from few donors.

    Reflects their constituencies very appropriately. The 1% vs the 99%.
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    Re: Who are Norquist pledge-signers loyal to - the American People or someone else?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Obama's donation are smaller amounts from many donors vs Romeny's bigger donations from few donors.

    Reflects their constituencies very appropriately. The 1% vs the 99%.
    I love to watch hyperpartisans rationalize.. it entertains me to no end.

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    Re: Who are Norquist pledge-signers loyal to - the American People or someone else?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    I love to watch hyperpartisans rationalize.. it entertains me to no end.
    Obama - He raised 53% of campaign funding in sub-$200 contributions.

    Romney - He raised 13% of campaign funding in sub-$200 contributions.

    The 2012 Money Race: Compare the Candidates - Campaign Finance - Election 2012 - NYTimes.com

    I love to watch hyperpartisans try to call facts rationalizations! LOL!
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    Re: Who are Norquist pledge-signers loyal to - the American People or someone else?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Obama - He raised 53% of campaign funding in sub-$200 contributions.

    Romney - He raised 13% of campaign funding in sub-$200 contributions.

    The 2012 Money Race: Compare the Candidates - Campaign Finance - Election 2012 - NYTimes.com

    I love to watch hyperpartisans try to call facts rationalizations! LOL!
    how many of obama small donors are repeaters?


    in the last election the numbers were strikingly similar to now... supposedly Obama received around 50% of his donation from "small donors"... except that turned out to be a myth, the real number was about half that... it seems that giving obama 4,600 bucks at once is a "large donor".. but cutting it up into multiple donations of 199 bucks is considered a "small donor"
    it was found the Obama small donations were about the same as George W Bush's small donations.. percentage wise.

    but meh it doesn't matter to me much..I don't care where he gets his money or how much they give, i'm not part of the demographic who constantly screams and cries about money in politics.... that would be you and your ilk.... but i get it, money in politics is only bad for the other guy.. it's good for Obama, bad for Romney

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    Re: Who are Norquist pledge-signers loyal to - the American People or someone else?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    how many of obama small donors are repeaters?


    in the last election the numbers were strikingly similar to now... supposedly Obama received around 50% of his donation from "small donors"... except that turned out to be a myth, the real number was about half that... it seems that giving obama 4,600 bucks at once is a "large donor".. but cutting it up into multiple donations of 199 bucks is considered a "small donor"
    it was found the Obama small donations were about the same as George W Bush's small donations.. percentage wise.

    but meh it doesn't matter to me much..I don't care where he gets his money or how much they give, i'm not part of the demographic who constantly screams and cries about money in politics.... that would be you and your ilk.... but i get it, money in politics is only bad for the other guy.. it's good for Obama, bad for Romney
    Your imagination aside, I prefer a candidate supported by the people rather than by a few big money donors. I guessing the majority of voters will as well.
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    Re: Who are Norquist pledge-signers loyal to - the American People or someone else?

    Quote Originally Posted by leftofabbie View Post
    What country can you think of that has survived such disparity? Any?
    Considering that pretty much every country or natoin falls at some point I think it's a loaded question. Considering the middle class in truth is a relatively modern ideal to the extent it exists I'd suggested its a loaded question. Considering there are many things in terms of the U.S. that are unlike what most other countries and nations have done before, I'd say its a worthless question. The United States in part was founded on doing things differently than the long established empires around in its day did...forgive me if a few alarmists seek to demonize the fruits of that difference as a means to try and push us to return to their shadow. Again, I don't generally are about what doomsayers bitch about in terms of the end of our country be it people comparing the moral depravity of the fall of Rome to what we have now or complaining about income disparity...in all cases its cherry picking information, statistics, and facts to suit their alarmist hyper partisan political agendas. People who routinely demonstrate themselves unable of unique thought or the ability/desire to actually objectively view things or talk about things outside of their hyper partisan world view are irrelevant to me and not worthy of being listened to nor taken seriously, nor worth listening to in terms of their sources as they are likely to be presented in an amazingly one sided way.

    But again, wonderful attempt at moving the goal posts....well, changing the goal posts to a basketball hoop really...in terms of the original purpose, failed purpose may I add, of this thread.

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    Re: Who are Norquist pledge-signers loyal to - the American People or someone else?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    Regardless of what this pledge says it does (which is utter bull****, in my opinion) There's one sentence from Norquist that stands out: "It is difficult to imagine somebody winning a primary without taking the pledge."

    Let that sink in for a minute. That sounds a lot like coercion to me, which is illegal. Plus, a pledge written up by some lobbyist that is admitted under a thin veil to be a prerequisite for winning the Primary is not something that has the American People in mind. This pledge wasn't written by the taxpayer, it was written by a lobbyist, which in itself is one gigantic godamned red flag.
    It's only a prerequisite to win a primary if the people voting in that primary consider the pledge (or its verbal equivalent) a minimum expectation before offering a candidate their support.

    I have shown you the text of the pledge. I fail to see why "who wrote it?" matters more than "what's in it?" and "who is it pledging to?"

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    Re: Who are Norquist pledge-signers loyal to - the American People or someone else?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The reverse of what was done over the last 30 years to create the income disparity.
    Can you be more specific and connect the dots on how your plan addresses income disparity directly?

    We will need to end the tax cuts for the wealthy that are not creating jobs in this country,
    And what about those wealthy who ARE creating jobs? Do we end their tax cuts also? And this will help how?

    reduce our excessive military spending,
    I have no issue with this.

    and re-regulate financial institutions.
    I thought Dodd-Frank did that. Was I wrong?

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    Re: Who are Norquist pledge-signers loyal to - the American People or someone else?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    People have a clear choice this election whether they wish to continue with the supply side economics/financial deregulation of the last 30 years, or start investing in the consumer class that drives demand necessary for our economy to prosper.
    Didn't they have the same choice three years ago? And what’s changed? Oh yeah, we spent $750b which “Over 90% of the income gains in the first year of the recovery went to the top 1%”. How’d that work out for the ‘consumer class that drives the demand’?

    Over 90% of the income gains in the first year of the recovery went to the top 1% « Economics for public policy

    If re-elected what’s gonna change in the next four years?

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    Re: Who are Norquist pledge-signers loyal to - the American People or someone else?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Considering that pretty much every country or natoin falls at some point I think it's a loaded question. Considering the middle class in truth is a relatively modern ideal to the extent it exists I'd suggested its a loaded question. Considering there are many things in terms of the U.S. that are unlike what most other countries and nations have done before, I'd say its a worthless question. The United States in part was founded on doing things differently than the long established empires around in its day did...forgive me if a few alarmists seek to demonize the fruits of that difference as a means to try and push us to return to their shadow. Again, I don't generally are about what doomsayers bitch about in terms of the end of our country be it people comparing the moral depravity of the fall of Rome to what we have now or complaining about income disparity...in all cases its cherry picking information, statistics, and facts to suit their alarmist hyper partisan political agendas. People who routinely demonstrate themselves unable of unique thought or the ability/desire to actually objectively view things or talk about things outside of their hyper partisan world view are irrelevant to me and not worthy of being listened to nor taken seriously, nor worth listening to in terms of their sources as they are likely to be presented in an amazingly one sided way.

    But again, wonderful attempt at moving the goal posts....well, changing the goal posts to a basketball hoop really...in terms of the original purpose, failed purpose may I add, of this thread.

    Thanks for your thoughtful post. As for the goalposts, someone else moved them and I foolishly followed.

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