I'm just here to have fun.
I'm just here to have fun.
Last edited by lizzie; 05-14-12 at 12:37 PM.
"God is the name by which I designate all things which cross my path violently and recklessly, all things which alter my plans and intentions, and change the course of my life, for better or for worse."
-C G Jung
Changing someone else's mind is impossible and it makes you a tool for the lazy.
Exposing the ignorance of others is pointless and arrogant.
Educating others is selling yourself short.
Self-improvement ignores how debate is a give and take.
Audience approval lets the other side abuse you.
To bring civilization to the unwashed, barbarian masses.
I enjoy discussing issues with people. I detest arguing.
I especially enjoy discussing when the two sides can be intellectually honest and mature and acknowledge the other person's point, if a good point has been made. I have little patience for those who are so insecure that they cannot... will not... concede a good point. There have been times that the other person makes a very good point, and I try to acknowledge that. That does not mean, however, that it was enough to change my mind. It just means that that particular issue isn't black/white or right/wrong.
Outright reversals of conclusion are rare for anybody, I believe, but most I think are open to seeds being planted to cause them to consider their position more thoroughly. They then either become even more convinced their conclusions are correct, or they evolve to something else. Either one is perfectly legit.
There are some people, admittedly and relatively few in number, that are so extreme and/or ridiculous that they need to be challenged on occasion.
If, when defending your support for Donald Trump, and your response is,
"But but but... HILLARY!!!", then you lost the argument before you even began.
"Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough."
Online, just a way to pass the time when bored at work, or to vent when friends are busy. Eventually i'll get bored of repeating myself. It's certainly not to change opinions on the Internet. What could be more futile than that? IRL, the content of what i say isn't really different when we do have discussions like that, but it's certainly nowhere near as often. People around here don't say hateful **** like "Yeah absolutely we should beat up 5 year olds who act gay."
I don't feel tempted to engage in lengthy debate with someone who, whether i agree or not, can at least rationally defend their positions. For example, with the death penalty, they already know about things like coerced confessions, lawyers who fall asleep during trial, the mentally retarded and children being executed. They just don't agree for emotional reasons, and it becomes pointless and boring to continue. But i respect them for at least being informed.
Online, you can always find many who don't know any of those facts, about any number of issues, who say the most hilariously ignorant things that i would never in a million years imagine possible. Occasionally I'll be inspired, but it's a mostly just an entertaining way to pass the time.
A few things in no particular order
1. I enjoy learning how others think, what their value systems and priorities are, and how their logic works.
1a. Unfortunately, sometimes what comes out of people's mouths can be quite perplexing and downright idiotic, but I still enjoy learning it as I have to deal with all types of people in the real world, not just those who I enjoy spending time with.
2. Learning about society and trying to find out a political system that would work for a majority of people. Since I have come onto this website I have realized a few things:
2a. There is no perfect political philosophy because people are different and someone will be caused undue suffering no matter the approach. However, I keep having hope that some insight will come at some point to make the first sentence untrue.
2b. Even though every political philosophy I have come across will cause someone undue and unjust suffering, often the proponents of whatever philosophy will demonize this group, whether it be the rich, poor, liberals, etc, and believe that the suffering of this group is just (it frightens me that people can be so evil) and that the unjustly suffering group should just get over it and conform
2c. Probably the best way to have a functional political system is through things like civility and manners, not a better political system. Unfortunately civility and manners is out of fashion right now.
2d. I find it astounding that people can be so enamored with one aspect of society or culture (liberty vs authoritarianism, pure capitalism vs impure capitalism, etc) that they forget bigger and more important themes.
3. I enjoy debating in itself as long as its not hackish or a matter of people trying to one up others without any real desire for productive discussion but communication of hatred and anger.
4. Watching how people react to what I say, whether positive or negative and then finding out why
5. I have come to enjoy interacting with certain folks here of all viewpoints and backgrounds (my e-friends I guess)
6. Probably some other stuff
Last edited by tacomancer; 05-15-12 at 05:03 AM.
One thing I do a lot is troll around these forums, most of the time I read an entire topic or at least scroll through it if its huge, because I enjoy reading the comments other people leave or reading their links.