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Are goods manufactured in American, American Manufactured goods [W: 41]

It only counts as an American Manufactured good if...

  • Any of the parts are made in America

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • 25% of the parts are American

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • 50% of the parts are American

    Votes: 4 40.0%

  • 75% of the parts are American

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Nothing is American made because there's always something built outside the US in any product

    Votes: 1 10.0%

  • American workers, in an American plant, making a product in America

    Votes: 5 50.0%
  • Total voters
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RadicalModerate said:
Pretty sure I'm at least on the same level as you, Sparkles.
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As far as I can tell, you seem pretty bright. Your responses were thoughtful and logical. That's why I attempted to clarify my question in response to you.
 
if a good chunk of it is made here, i consider it American made. probably 50+ percent.

however, it's generally enough for me that the company at least cares enough to employ some Americans who need the manufacturing jobs. i certainly want the same thing for Chinese workers, as well, but i find it seedy when a company just goes there to take advantage of minimal worker protections and pollution controls. i find Apple's manufacturing strategy somewhat disappointing, especially consider how much they charge for a finished product. but foxconn doesn't just make Apple products. that company needs to be put under the microscope big time.
 
Speaking of beer- in an Okie bar the beer is 3.2

Overpriced American workers is an empty clique.

50% American is made, Assembled in America as a dodge

We have a saying out here- something is worth what another is willing to give for it the day you want to sell it. Apple figured that out.
 
Helix said:
if a good chunk of it is made here, i consider it American made. probably 50+ percent.

however, it's generally enough for me that the company at least cares enough to employ some Americans who need the manufacturing jobs. i certainly want the same thing for Chinese workers, as well, but i find it seedy when a company just goes there to take advantage of minimal worker protections and pollution controls. i find Apple's manufacturing strategy somewhat disappointing, especially consider how much they charge for a finished product. but foxconn doesn't just make Apple products. that company needs to be put under the microscope big time.
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Alrighty. So why 50%? Why does that matter? Why not 60%, or 40%? What's magical about 50%?

And again, out of curiosity, does it matter that the parts used to make those parts, came from outside the country?

For example, those relays I referred to in my post, that were made in America. If I broke that relay open and found that the individual parts that made that relay came from China and Mexico or Malaysia, would that make it no longer an American part? And thus if that dropped the percentage of American parts down to below 50%, would that make it a non-American made product?

You realize that China right now is the dominate supplier of all rare earths for all electronics, so nearly everything electronic, if you trace back their origins back to the raw materials, the vast majority are all exported metals from China.

Does that matter? Or is that not relevant?

I'm just curious how you look at this.
 
I had a much longer post originally but internet screwed up lol. Anyways, I think if the company makes products from raw materials it is American made, if they make the stuff from pre-assembled parts it is simply assembled here. I work at a place that makes window sills for Honda, Toyota, Suzuki and Mitsubishi. Most of our raw materials are American, and everything is totally made there. You would have no idea what care and hard work goes into making your window sills and well, we also make rubber for hoods and trunks also. Most blue collar jobs I've ever had everything is made there from raw materials. Of course, I've always worked for "foreign" companies that make stuff for the likes of Toyota and Mercedes.

I'm a big believer in we need to make pre-assembly to manufacturing "cities" much like FOXCONN in China. It would take heavy subsidization by federal, state, and local governments but if our country put its mind to it something like a iPhone saying "Designed in California, Made in USA" could be achievable in the next ten years.
 
Personally, I'd be more concerned where the majority of the profits go than where it was actually made.
 
notquiteright said:
Overpriced American workers is an empty clique.
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I believe that "cliche" is the work you were looking for.

If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it must be a duck. They are overpaid and that's why their jobs are being sent to China.
 
johnny_rebson said:
I believe that "cliche" is the work you were looking for.

If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it must be a duck. They are overpaid and that's why their jobs are being sent to China.
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No it is not. You have little understanding of how manufacturing works.
 
jamesrage said:
Grocery store beer or liquor store beer?


America’s Most Alcoholic Beers
America
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Please check the label. I see the bottle and I've gone to their site, but no where do I see the bottle labeled beer. I occasionally drink Sing Ha, a Thai beer, that gets a little label "ALE" stuck over the Beer when its imported.
 
johnny_rebson said:
If it was made in America, it was made by overpaid factory workers.
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So how do you determine that? What factories have you been in and where and did you see how the workers could afford to live. I have to add, to make your claim you have to have visited foreign factories, towns and worker neighborhoods.
 
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Folks, knock off the attacks and the baiting.
 
There is some official language on this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Made_in_USA said:
The Made in USA mark is a country of origin label indicating the product is "all or virtually all" made in the U.S. The label is regulated by the Federal Trade Commission (FTC).

U.S. goods must be disclosed on automobiles and textile, wool, and fur products. No law requires most other products sold in the U.S. to be marked or labeled Made in USA or have any other disclosure about their amount of U.S. content. However, manufacturers and marketers and Persons who choose to make claims about the amount of U.S. content in their products must comply with the FTC’s Made in USA policy.

A Made in USA claim can be expressed (for example, "American-made") or implied. In identifying implied claims, the Commission focuses on the overall impression of the advertising, label, or promotional material. Depending on the context, U.S. symbols or geographic references (for example, U.S. flags, outlines of U.S. maps, or references to U.S. locations of headquarters or factories) may convey a claim of U.S. origin either by themselves, or in conjunction with other phrases or images.

In 1996 the FTC [1] proposed that the requirement be stated as:

It will not be considered a deceptive practice for a marketer to make an unqualified U.S. origin claim if, at the time it makes the claim, the marketer possesses and relies upon competent and reliable evidence that: (1) U.S. manufacturing costs constitute 75% of the total manufacturing costs for the product; and (2) the product was last substantially transformed in the United States.​


However, this was just a proposal and Never became part of the final guidelines which were published in the Federal Register [2] in 1997.

Assembled in USA
A product that includes foreign components may be called "Assembled in USA" without qualification when its principal assembly takes place in the U.S. and the assembly is substantial. For the "assembly" claim to be valid, the product's "last substantial transformation" also should have occurred in the U.S. A "screwdriver" assembly in the U.S. of foreign components into a final product at the end of the manufacturing process does Not usually qualify for the "Assembled in USA" claim. [..........]
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OhIsee.Then said:
Oh, only in Japan, Taiwan, Thailand, Mexico, Canada, Germany, Austria ...
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Then why claim "In the US beer is not allowed to be 6% by regulation."?
 
mbig said:
There is some official language on this.
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I don't care about the official language. Official language is created by politicians for political purposes. I have no political purpose.

What do you consider to be a product made in the US. Does it matter if the parts to make the product are US made or not?

Does it just matter that an American worker, in an American plant, made a product in America, or do you personally require that absolutely everything be made in America?

The label doesn't matter at all to me. I'm not going to pay $40 for a $6 shirt, simply so that I can have a tiny label on it that says "made in America". Most people are not going to do that either. This is why I am waring shirt made in Pakistan.

So, what's your answer? Do they have to get the iron ore, from an American mine, have it refined in an American refinery, stamped by an American made press, in an American plant, shipped to an American assembly plant, with 100% American everything, in order for you to consider it a product built in the US?

Or is there a percentage? Or what? What's your opinion on the matter. That's all I wish to know. Not what some dumb politics regulation created in Washington.
 
Sparkles said:
I don't care about the official language. Official language is created by politicians for political purposes. I have no political purpose.
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No, it's for fairness in advertising/labeling.
The Regulation makes perfect sense
The fact you don't care is .. unfortunate.
Examples previously given in the string. (like OJ)

What do you consider to be a product made in the US. Does it matter if the parts to make the product are US made or not?
Does it just matter that an American worker, in an American plant, made a product in America, or do you personally require that absolutely everything be made in America?
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I think the FTC regulation make perfect sense.
Certainly under 75% isn't even close.

The label doesn't matter at all to me. I'm not going to pay $40 for a $6 shirt, simply so that I can have a tiny label on it that says "made in America". Most people are not going to do that either. This is why I am waring shirt made in Pakistan.
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If the label "Doesn't matter to you", you Wasted a String Start getting other peoples opinions on something that doesn't even matter to you in any case.

So, what's your answer? Do they have to get the iron ore, from an American mine, have it refined in an American refinery, stamped by an American made press, in an American plant, shipped to an American assembly plant, with 100% American everything, in order for you to consider it a product built in the US? Or is there a percentage? Or what? What's your opinion on the matter. That's all I wish to know. Not what some dumb politics regulation created in Washington.
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As I said, I agree with "all or virtually all" and certainly not under 75%.
But now you don't care about your own poll question.
Or are perhaps embarrassed you didn't take the time to look it up.

Edit: This will be my last post in this string for obvious reasons.
 
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mbig said:
No, it's for fairness in advertising/labeling.
The Regulation makes perfect sense
The fact you don't care is .. unfortunate.
Examples previously given in the string. (like OJ)
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I find no value in that. Now I have no problem with them having truth in labeling, yeah that's fine. But that wasn't the purpose of the question I asked.

As far as me not caring, well.... ok. Whatever. Perhaps you would be more happy if I was impoverished from buying over priced American goods, but I'd rather be wealthy. Thanks.

Certainly under 75% isn't even close.
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Alrighty then. Thanks for your answer.

If the label "Doesn't matter to you", you Wasted a String Start getting other peoples opinions on something that doesn't even matter to you in any case.
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Well that's your opinion. I've actually gotten a ton out of this thread. So it was well worth my time at least. But again, the label doesn't even show on my care meter.

As I said, I agree with "all or virtually all" and certainly not under 75%.
But now you don't care about your own poll question.
Or are perhaps embarrassed you didn't take the time to look it up.
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Not at all. I didn't ask the question "what should be required to get a label" in the poll. So I'm fine with the answers people have given. If anything, I'm surprised you care so much about a label.
 
Sparkles said:
Alrighty. So why 50%? Why does that matter? Why not 60%, or 40%? What's magical about 50%?
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nothing is "magical" about it. given the fact that we have a consumer spending based GDP, i'd prefer to have as many workers as possible with disposable income, however. for this to be the case, they have to be employed.

Sparkles said:
And again, out of curiosity, does it matter that the parts used to make those parts, came from outside the country?
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not entirely.


Sparkles said:
For example, those relays I referred to in my post, that were made in America. If I broke that relay open and found that the individual parts that made that relay came from China and Mexico or Malaysia, would that make it no longer an American part? And thus if that dropped the percentage of American parts down to below 50%, would that make it a non-American made product?
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i don't expect or desire that every consumer product be manufactured completely in America. however, we should expect some standard of worker safety and environmental protection from nations that we engage in tariff-free trade with. otherwise, the playing field is not level.

Sparkles said:
You realize that China right now is the dominate supplier of all rare earths for all electronics, so nearly everything electronic, if you trace back their origins back to the raw materials, the vast majority are all exported metals from China.
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granted. this certainly doesn't have to be the case, however.
 
Helix said:
nothing is "magical" about it. given the fact that we have a consumer spending based GDP, i'd prefer to have as many workers as possible with disposable income, however. for this to be the case, they have to be employed.
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I was employed, and 95% or more of the parts were imported. In fact, it was because those parts were imported, that allowed me to have a job. So I'm not sure there is a connection between the two.

i don't expect or desire that every consumer product be manufactured completely in America. however, we should expect some standard of worker safety and environmental protection from nations that we engage in tariff-free trade with. otherwise, the playing field is not level.
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Hm.. Somehow I don't think you can force other countries to castrate their manufacturing sector, just because we have. If you demand that company X in China must have regulations of such and such, they'll refuse. If we deny trading with them. That will hurt us.

Because now we'll have to pay for more expensive parts from somewhere else. But I promise you some other country isn't going to have that problem. Then Sweden, or France, or whoever, will buy from China, and make the same product.

So now our domestic manufacturing is going to go out of business because their costs are higher than France or where ever, that is buying their parts more cheaply from China.

Thus we'll end up losing even more manufacturing jobs, in a vain attempt to 'even the playing field'.

granted. this certainly doesn't have to be the case, however.
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No, but because of the regulations and restrictions and eco-nut rules, this is where we're at. We have billions of tons of domestic mineral resources, and yet we are not allowed to get them because of stupid government policies.
 
Sparkles said:
The label doesn't matter at all to me. I'm not going to pay $40 for a $6 shirt, simply so that I can have a tiny label on it that says "made in America".
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The, "American industry produces overpriced goods," argument, even though the trade deficit is the primary driver of inflation and imported goods are far more expensive now then they were 30 years ago when they were made in America.
 
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