View Poll Results: Which candidate will create equality?

Voters
27. You may not vote on this poll
  • Candidate 1 (civil unions)

    1 3.70%
  • Candidate 2 (government redefinition of marriage to include gay marriage)

    6 22.22%
  • Candidate 3 (government defined marriage'j as one man, one woman)

    5 18.52%
  • Candidate 4 (get government out of marriage)

    15 55.56%
Page 4 of 5 FirstFirst ... 2345 LastLast
Results 31 to 40 of 50

Thread: True equality

  1. #31
    Professor
    Phoenix's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    South Carolina
    Last Seen
    04-27-17 @ 10:56 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    1,782

    Re: True equality

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    If you don't agree with the benefits of marriage, fight to have them revoked from the laws. Work to get them removed. I won't wish you luck because I personally think many of them are based on very good principles. I highly doubt I have to worry about it though since the chances of you actually getting many of the benefits removed from marriage are about as high as getting the government out of marriage, which is extremely small.

    But the government recognizes families and therefore must have a legal means of also allowing a chosen adult who the person wants to have those benefits/rights to become a legal part of their family and vice versa.

    I don't understand why everyone thinks "get the government completely out of marriage" is a good argument. The government really isn't that far into marriage to begin with. And the fewer restrictions there are about getting married the less government will be involved in it. It is just a contract making people family. This is just as important to many people in the US as education is. It may be under-appreciated and disrespected by some or even many, but that doesn't mean the majority are ready to give it up. And it is highly unlikely the majority will be ready to do so within any of our lifetimes.
    I AM. I am currently in a discourse with not only my state senator but also my county counsel man to have marriage disbanded in the state of SC and my county. I believe I actually have some traction. both are old and not worried about reelection, sympathetic to my cause and fed up with arguing about a frivolous matter.
    From the ashes.

  2. #32
    Professor
    Phoenix's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    South Carolina
    Last Seen
    04-27-17 @ 10:56 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    1,782

    Re: True equality

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    In your views, government shouldn't but it does, and that is the reality we have to deal with. Now, I dont really about a return to caveman understandings of individual relationships or the connections they have to your personal feels on marriage. I care about that which is a reality being dealt with.
    you means like the reality of a ban on alcohol? That was overturn. Have faith and press on. crazy **** happpens.
    From the ashes.

  3. #33
    Sage
    roguenuke's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Raleigh, NC
    Last Seen
    05-17-17 @ 05:55 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    28,935

    Re: True equality

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix View Post
    I AM. I am currently in a discourse with not only my state senator but also my county counsel man to have marriage disbanded in the state of SC and my county. I believe I actually have some traction. both are old and not worried about reelection, sympathetic to my cause and fed up with arguing about a frivolous matter.
    Don't count on it holding up or going far. It just isn't practical or reasonable and the majority of the country knows this.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

  4. #34
    Professor
    Phoenix's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    South Carolina
    Last Seen
    04-27-17 @ 10:56 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    1,782

    Re: True equality

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Don't count on it holding up or going far. It just isn't practical or reasonable and the majority of the country knows this.
    No it just isn't "normal". Kind of like the dvorak keyboard is better but the qwerty is "normal". People don't like change.
    From the ashes.

  5. #35
    Sage
    roguenuke's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Raleigh, NC
    Last Seen
    05-17-17 @ 05:55 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    28,935

    Re: True equality

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix View Post
    No it just isn't "normal". Kind of like the dvorak keyboard is better but the qwerty is "normal". People don't like change.
    No. Civil marriage is practical and reasonable as a way to track who is married and to ensure that legal relationships, particularly ones people choose to enter into, are given high priority with little fuss in our legal system.

    Any proposal to get out of civil marriage, at least for the foreseeable future, will end in laughter. No one is going to willingly give up the rights and benefits that come from just one simple contract that is marriage.

    Hell, I'd bet that most Christians would rather allow same sex couples the right to marriage if the only alternative was giving up marriage altogether.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

  6. #36
    Professor
    Phoenix's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    South Carolina
    Last Seen
    04-27-17 @ 10:56 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    1,782

    Re: True equality

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Any proposal to get out of civil marriage, at least for the foreseeable future, will end in laughter. No one is going to willingly give up the rights and benefits that come from just one simple contract that is marriage.

    Hell, I'd bet that most Christians would rather allow same sex couples the right to marriage if the only alternative was giving up marriage altogether.
    and therein lies the problem. greed trumps reason.
    From the ashes.

  7. #37
    Professor
    Mathematician's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Last Seen
    09-22-17 @ 09:35 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    2,147

    Re: True equality

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix View Post
    No it just isn't "normal". Kind of like the dvorak keyboard is better but the qwerty is "normal". People don't like change.
    The change I don't like is people becoming so open-minded that their brains have fallen out.
    Last edited by Mathematician; 05-12-12 at 01:31 AM. Reason: typo
    "With me everything turns into mathematics."
    "It is not enough to have a good mind. The main thing is to use it well."
    "It is truth very certain that, when it is not in one's power to determine what is true, we ought to follow what is more probable." -- Rene Descartes

  8. #38
    Sage
    roguenuke's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Raleigh, NC
    Last Seen
    05-17-17 @ 05:55 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    28,935

    Re: True equality

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix View Post
    and therein lies the problem. greed trumps reason.
    Or the fact that we live in a world where some people will take advantage of any situation? Oh, and let us not forget that people need to be able to take care of their families and that might require a little extra legal protection without a ****load of paperwork that really does nothing more than a single marriage contract does.

    You sure seem bitter. I imagine you're not married.

    I can't remember if I asked you or someone else, but I'll ask again. Do you feel that your rights are somehow being violated with legal marriage being in place? If yes, could you please explain exactly why you feel this way?
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

  9. #39
    Professor
    Phoenix's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    South Carolina
    Last Seen
    04-27-17 @ 10:56 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    1,782

    Re: True equality

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Or the fact that we live in a world where some people will take advantage of any situation? Oh, and let us not forget that people need to be able to take care of their families and that might require a little extra legal protection without a ****load of paperwork that really does nothing more than a single marriage contract does.

    You sure seem bitter. I imagine you're not married.

    I can't remember if I asked you or someone else, but I'll ask again. Do you feel that your rights are somehow being violated with legal marriage being in place? If yes, could you please explain exactly why you feel this way?
    Not bitter at all and happily married. Yes, I feel my rights are violated with legal marriage in place. Especially as it stands now. If I decide I want to marry a man I don't get the same benefits that I get in my current marriage. If I want to marry another person, that illegal unless I divorce the one I have now.
    From the ashes.

  10. #40
    Banned
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    Naperville, IL
    Last Seen
    09-24-12 @ 02:14 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    11,963

    Re: True equality

    I hate when the right answer is not available.

    How about a government that honors its own constitution and bill of rights? Very simple. You don't need to redefine anything as same-sex marriages were around before our modern-day concept of marriage which allows a women to have a say in the union--that concept is less than 300 years old.

    Bam!

Page 4 of 5 FirstFirst ... 2345 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •