View Poll Results: Which candidate will create equality?

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  • Candidate 1 (civil unions)

    1 3.70%
  • Candidate 2 (government redefinition of marriage to include gay marriage)

    6 22.22%
  • Candidate 3 (government defined marriage'j as one man, one woman)

    5 18.52%
  • Candidate 4 (get government out of marriage)

    15 55.56%
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Thread: True equality

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    Re: True equality

    None. We are equal I am allowed to marry person that I want of another gender as so are they.
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    Re: True equality

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrillic View Post
    None. We are equal I am allowed to marry person that I want of another gender as so are they.
    Which is the exact logic that kept interracial marriage bans in place.

    We are all equal, I am allowed to marry any person that I want of the same race, and so are they.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: True equality

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix View Post
    I really don't understand why more people don't advocate removing government from marriage altogether.
    Because federally banning gay marriage is really not any different than a state banning gay marriage. And NO, a person shouldn't have to move to another state simply because a bigoted majority doesn't like same sex marriage.
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    Re: True equality

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrillic View Post
    None. We are equal I am allowed to marry person that I want of another gender as so are they.
    If Jane doe can marry you and I can't, how are we treated equally in the eyes of the law?
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    Re: True equality

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Because federally banning gay marriage is really not any different than a state banning gay marriage. And NO, a person shouldn't have to move to another state simply because a bigoted majority doesn't like same sex marriage.
    I don't want the government to recognize marriage OF ANYONE, hetro, homo, multiple, incestual or otherwise. That's equality.
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    Re: True equality

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Government will never be out of marriage.........They have a stake in it...That is to have a man and woman married for the sake of any children that may come from it...........In black society 3 ot of 5 children are born out of wedlock...Chidren born out of wedlock don't have that father to influence them.......That is why crime is so hig in the black neighborhood.
    so you explain that government will never get out of marriage because they have a stake in it and then explain how that plan isn't working very well in the same post? Hmm.....
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    Re: True equality

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix View Post
    I don't want the government to recognize marriage OF ANYONE, hetro, homo, multiple, incestual or otherwise. That's equality.
    Except it's not because government recognition affects a million other things like economic recognition, parental benefits etc. Now, since marriage is here to stay and the government has recognized it in one form or another since the Code of Hammurabi was written, why don't we move on and live in reality. States banning gay marriage is not somehow better than federal bans.
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    Re: True equality

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Except it's not because government recognition affects a million other things like economic recognition, parental benefits etc. Now, since marriage is here to stay and the government has recognized it in one form or another since the Code of Hammurabi was written, why don't we move on and live in reality. States banning gay marriage is not somehow better than federal bans.
    I don't agree with any bans on marriage. I think the recent NC deal is completely stupid. That is exactly my point. If we aren't going to restrict marriage at all IE everyone can marry, what's the point of having it at all (in reference to government)? Government shouldn't be giving economic benefits to anyone to influence their behavior. All other things are currently adjudicated in this day and age without marriage. So why have it?
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    Re: True equality

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix View Post
    I don't agree with any bans on marriage. I think the recent NC deal is completely stupid. That is exactly my point. If we aren't going to restrict marriage at all IE everyone can marry, what's the point of having it at all (in reference to government)? Government shouldn't be giving economic benefits to anyone to influence their behavior. All other things are currently adjudicated in this day and age without marriage. So why have it?
    In your views, government shouldn't but it does, and that is the reality we have to deal with. Now, I dont really about a return to caveman understandings of individual relationships or the connections they have to your personal feels on marriage. I care about that which is a reality being dealt with.
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    Re: True equality

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix View Post
    I don't agree with any bans on marriage. I think the recent NC deal is completely stupid. That is exactly my point. If we aren't going to restrict marriage at all IE everyone can marry, what's the point of having it at all (in reference to government)? Government shouldn't be giving economic benefits to anyone to influence their behavior. All other things are currently adjudicated in this day and age without marriage. So why have it?
    If you don't agree with the benefits of marriage, fight to have them revoked from the laws. Work to get them removed. I won't wish you luck because I personally think many of them are based on very good principles. I highly doubt I have to worry about it though since the chances of you actually getting many of the benefits removed from marriage are about as high as getting the government out of marriage, which is extremely small.

    But the government recognizes families and therefore must have a legal means of also allowing a chosen adult who the person wants to have those benefits/rights to become a legal part of their family and vice versa.

    I don't understand why everyone thinks "get the government completely out of marriage" is a good argument. The government really isn't that far into marriage to begin with. And the fewer restrictions there are about getting married the less government will be involved in it. It is just a contract making people family. This is just as important to many people in the US as education is. It may be under-appreciated and disrespected by some or even many, but that doesn't mean the majority are ready to give it up. And it is highly unlikely the majority will be ready to do so within any of our lifetimes.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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