"God is the name by which I designate all things which cross my path violently and recklessly, all things which alter my plans and intentions, and change the course of my life, for better or for worse."
-C G Jung
Last edited by Navy Pride; 05-11-12 at 05:24 PM.
"God Bless Our Troops in Harms Way."
Wasn't terribly bothered by it because if you watch, the fetus is actually not moving. The uterus is moving. Although I did notice there was something strange about the timing. Going to your second link answered why that was.
The Wiki link YOU provided:
Many members of the medical community were critical of the film, describing it as misleading and deceptive. Richard Berkowitz, professor of obstetrics and gynecology at Mount Sinai Medical Center, described the film as "factually misleading and unfair".John Hobbins of the Yale School of Medicine called the film's use of special effects deceptive, a form of "technical flimflam." He pointed out that the film of the ultrasound is initially run at slow speed, but that it is sped up when surgical instruments are introduced to give the impression that "the fetus is thrashing about in alarm.Fetal development experts argued that, contrary to Nathanson's assertion in the film, a fetus cannot perceive danger or make purposeful movements. David Bodian, a neurobiologist at Johns Hopkins School of Medicine, stated that doctors had no evidence that a twelve-week-old fetus could feel pain, but noted the possibility of a reflex movement by a fetus in response to external stimuli such as surgical instruments.The images at the end of the video are also misleading. Those fetuses were not the result of abortion. They were probably the result of stillbirth. The reason being, a fetus that size would never be removed whole like that. As a matter of fact, a fetus that size would almost never be aborted at all, except in cases of fetal demise or imminent danger to the woman. A couple of them do look notably deformed, although again, they were probably stillbirthed, not aborted.The size of the ultrasound image and of the fetus model used was also misleading, appearing to show a fetus the size of a full-term baby, while in actuality a twelve-week-old fetus is under two inches long.
So basically, this entire video is a piece of propoganda from top to bottom, using deceptive film tricks and dishonest photographs, just as I thought.
Last edited by SmokeAndMirrors; 05-11-12 at 07:07 PM.
The only time it "moves" is as it's being removed, in which case it is not moving under its own power. Its position is being changed by an outside force.
Are you going to address the quotes I pulled from your own link, which state that this video is the result of deceptive film editing and flat-out lying?
Here's the crux: we don't legalize bank robbery just because bank robbers might get shot and killed in the act of bank robbery. In fact, we don't really mind when they do.
But just to look at what you said with some scrutiny, I don't understand how you could turn around and be "pro-choice."
If you "believe" that we are living human beings in the womb, then I have to tell you that it really isn't a question of belief, let alone "personal" ones. That our lifespan begins at conception and that we are human beings from the beginning of that lifespan until its end... both are established scientific fact.
The sentiments are not mere personal beliefs, they are reality. The only people who object to imposing reality are the disoriented and deluded, and well, they usually need you to do it.
As far as "legislating morality," I'm just going to take a moment and guess that you want a government and a rule of law that prevents and punishes theft, kidnapping... homicide.
Now, assuming you want the homicide of a human in the adult stage of life to be prosecuted, how is that not "legislating morality," if prosecuting the homicide of a human in the fetal stage of life is?
I see no reason to consider one any more moralizing than the other, which is to say that I see neither as moralizing. Both are simply government fulfilling its most basic, most essential role, to uphold the human rights of its citizens.
Last edited by JayDubya; 05-12-12 at 07:36 AM.