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Thread: When the dollar crashes, setting off a spireling out of control chain of events, what

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    Re: When the dollar crashes, setting off a spireling out of control chain of events,

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Foley View Post
    yeeeaaaaah, well you know China is a Communist country that bans it's citizens from owning any weapons whatsoever. The only hope you have for a regime change is a Boris Yeltsin type of deal so unless you are an expert on Chinese culture/religion/history where you have the pulse of the Chinese Army you can't really say.
    You mean from members of the CCP who are part of the New Chinese Left who may get the support from the Red Chinese Army by getting legitimacy from the students and laborers who are critical of the current government system?

    Like I pointed out before? With evidence?

    So it's still more likely than the PRC sending a quarter of a million troops into Taiwan and causing major international incidents and possibly military conflict since they are facing their own economic problems, as well as internal political divisions, in both the masses and their government leaders.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: When the dollar crashes, setting off a spireling out of control chain of events,

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    You mean from members of the CCP who are part of the New Chinese Left who may get the support from the Red Chinese Army by getting legitimacy from the students and laborers who are critical of the current government system?

    Like I pointed out before? With evidence?

    So it's still more likely than the PRC sending a quarter of a million troops into Taiwan and causing major international incidents and possibly military conflict since they are facing their own economic problems, as well as internal political divisions, in both the masses and their government leaders.
    Well what better way to unite a country and fix economic problems that to invade new territory.

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    Re: When the dollar crashes, setting off a spireling out of control chain of events,

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Foley View Post
    Well what better way to unite a country and fix economic problems that to invade new territory.
    Invading a new territory doesn't unite a country or fix economic problems.

    And a better way to unite a country and fix economic problems would be to initiate political and economic reforms.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: When the dollar crashes, setting off a spireling out of control chain of events,

    watched Mad max enough times by now to know what to do!

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    Re: When the dollar crashes, setting off a spireling out of control chain of events,

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    watched Mad max enough times by now to know what to do!
    Cut a hole in the backside of your jeans and hang a rag out of it so you always have something to wipe with?

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    Re: When the dollar crashes, setting off a spireling out of control chain of events,

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Invading a new territory doesn't unite a country or fix economic problems.
    Uh, yes it does.

    And China isn't having "economic problems".

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    Re: When the dollar crashes, setting off a spireling out of control chain of events,

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Foley View Post
    Uh, yes it does.

    And China isn't having "economic problems".
    At this point, I'm not sure if you're ignorant or trying to be a poe.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: When the dollar crashes, setting off a spireling out of control chain of events,

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    At this point, I'm not sure if you're ignorant or trying to be a poe.
    People don't notice if they are in poverty or rich, all they notice is if their standard of living is increasing or decreasing no matter how slow, and I have no idea what a poe is.

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    Re: When the dollar crashes, setting off a spireling out of control chain of events,

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Foley View Post
    People don't notice if they are in poverty or rich, all they notice is if their standard of living is increasing or decreasing no matter how slow, and I have no idea what a poe is.
    Okay then. In that case...

    Well, China is certainly having economic problems. For one, it's people have an insane savings rate. Individual Chinese people tend to save about 1/3 of their income. This is because they want to have that money on hand for medical bills and other unanticipated expenses. But what this is doing is preventing the PRC from developing a consumer economy like other developed nations have.

    The biggest problem, though, is that the quasi-capitalist system isn't working all throughout China. While the coastal areas, which is where the factories and modernization has been concentrated at, the rural interior is getting left behind. This is what the Chinese New Left, which I described earlier in this thread, is push for a return to more socialist values - because the regional economic differences are becoming greater and greater.

    And, yes, the Chinese people are well aware of these differences. The cheap labor in the factories in the coastal areas come from the rural interior. And they go back to visit their families during the week of the Chinese New Year. So that back and forth between the rural areas and the industrialized areas means the Chinese people are well capable of comparing and contrasting the disparities.

    And even if the Chinese people themselves didn't know, a cynic could argue that the political elites would ensure that they did so they could agitate the people to grant them more political power. Do most political leaders of the CCP benefit from keeping the status quo? Yes, indeed they do.

    But there are also political leaders of the CCP who would benefit from upsetting the status quo as well. Such as Bo Xilai and his other members of the Chinese New Left.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: When the dollar crashes, setting off a spireling out of control chain of events,

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Okay then. In that case...

    Well, China is certainly having economic problems. For one, it's people have an insane savings rate. Individual Chinese people tend to save about 1/3 of their income. This is because they want to have that money on hand for medical bills and other unanticipated expenses. But what this is doing is preventing the PRC from developing a consumer economy like other developed nations have.

    The biggest problem, though, is that the quasi-capitalist system isn't working all throughout China. While the coastal areas, which is where the factories and modernization has been concentrated at, the rural interior is getting left behind. This is what the Chinese New Left, which I described earlier in this thread, is push for a return to more socialist values - because the regional economic differences are becoming greater and greater.

    And, yes, the Chinese people are well aware of these differences. The cheap labor in the factories in the coastal areas come from the rural interior. And they go back to visit their families during the week of the Chinese New Year. So that back and forth between the rural areas and the industrialized areas means the Chinese people are well capable of comparing and contrasting the disparities.

    And even if the Chinese people themselves didn't know, a cynic could argue that the political elites would ensure that they did so they could agitate the people to grant them more political power. Do most political leaders of the CCP benefit from keeping the status quo? Yes, indeed they do.

    But there are also political leaders of the CCP who would benefit from upsetting the status quo as well. Such as Bo Xilai and his other members of the Chinese New Left.
    It's quite an ingenious system where there is a tightly controlled social ladder to climb, with the government controlling the areas where there is no ladder to climb and a little more looser restrictions in the zones where the socially ladder could be climbed with great effort. This way you could divide your people up into 2 areas: the overly ambitious and the not so ambitious. And if the overly ambitious get politically ambitious you can always count on the far more populated areas of the not so ambitious.
    Last edited by Matt Foley; 05-13-12 at 07:53 AM.

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