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    Re: Regulations vs free market

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    So you're claiming that offering someone who is starving money for work, is bad?
    No he's saying using the power of an employer and employee is skewed in favor of the employer. Than an employer can hold out longer and has less at stake than the floor sweeper who has to feed himself and his family. That economic coercion does exist.

    There's plenty of history out there that shows how employers can abuse their employers generally done at the consent of the employeed because there's no alternative.
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    Re: Regulations vs free market

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    With no unemployment...or food stamps....or welfare...then why would nobody sweep the floor for 3 bucks?
    Because it would null his ideas. As long as his theory is perfect on paper as a basic model, then it's true in all conceivable situations.

    "Yup, when demand goes down, price goes up. So when employed people don't like their low wages, they'll just refuse to work until they are at $120k a year with full bennies! It's foolproof!"

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    Re: Regulations vs free market

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Tell you the truth I prefer food stamps to food subsidies. Then you know who receives what, the distinction is clear. Can't do that with subsidised food.
    I don't know specifically what part of the Farm Bill you're referring to when you say "food subsidies". Are you talking about the price stabilization of farm commodities?
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    Re: Regulations vs free market

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    $3 was just an example. We can lower it to $1, if you wish and try again.
    If your rent is $500 and your food is $150, would you work for $300 when you can't even stay alive with that wage?
    Of course I would! And everyone here would, too.

    Let me clarify for you; you're presenting me with three options. Option 1, work for less than my costs require. Option 2, refuse to work for less than my costs require or Option 3, look for a job that pays better, which is risky because there might not be another job out there. Or someone else could come by and take the $300 job, which leaves me worse off, becasue not only am I still at zero, now I don't even have the option of making $300 anymore. The choice is essentially would I take 0 dollars or $300 (or alternately, am I willing to be $650 in the red or $350 in the red?). Everyone would take the $300. You're saying everyone would take zero in hopes of making more down the road, possibly.

    That is why you fail.
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    Re: Regulations vs free market

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    Of course I would! And everyone here would, too.

    Let me clarify for you; you're presenting me with three options. Option 1, work for less than my costs require. Option 2, refuse to work for less than my costs require or Option 3, look for a job that pays better, which is risky because there might not be another job out there. Or someone else could come by and take the $300 job, which leaves me worse off, becasue not only am I still at zero, now I don't even have the option of making $300 anymore. The choice is essentially would I take 0 dollars or $300 (or alternately, would I take -$650 or -$350). Everyone would take the $300. You're saying everyone would take zero in hopes of making more down the road, possibly.

    That is why you fail.
    I see, you're trolling me.
    Lol, an American libertarian explains how good socialism (big government) is. Sorry, I don't buy that.

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    Re: Regulations vs free market

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    So you're claiming that offering someone who is starving money for work, is bad?
    Of course not. I don't care how anybody makes their nut; any legit job is honorable, no matter what it is to how much it pays. I don't look down at people working in gas stations or McDonalds or waving signs at traffic. I like to see people making money, any amount. Which is I'm making my points on this thread.

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    Re: Regulations vs free market

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    I see, you're trolling me.
    Lol, an American libertarian explains how good socialism (big government) is. Sorry, I don't buy that.
    Game set match.

    I guess when all you got is calling me a socialist, you're all out of lines, huh?

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    Re: Regulations vs free market

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    Game set match.

    I guess when all you got is calling me a socialist, you're all out of lines, huh?
    I give up, you win, congratulations.
    And yes, subsidies are a socialist policy. The fact they are so widespread doesn't change that. Good buy.

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    Re: Regulations vs free market

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    "Yup, when demand goes down, price goes up. So when employed people don't like their low wages, they'll just refuse to work until they are at $120k a year with full bennies! It's foolproof!"
    Actually it is foolproof. If you a labor market had 100 electricians, and 50 quit, than the 50 left would be earning considerably more money. I hear that's how the AMA keeps physician salaries high, by keeping the supply of doctors low.

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    Re: Regulations vs free market

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Foley View Post
    Actually it is foolproof. If you a labor market had 100 electricians, and 50 quit, than the 50 left would be earning considerably more money.
    Because the market for electricians is always constant? If a labor market had 100 electricians and 50 quit, the idea that the 50 left would make up the difference and keep the total earnings the same is only correct if the demand for electrical work had been constant. If the demand for electrical work shrunk and caused 50 electricians to quit, the demand isn't there to keep 50 electricians on at the same amount as 100.

    I hear that's how the AMA keeps physician salaries high, by keeping the supply of doctors low.
    Yeah, that was proposed in the book Profession and Monopoly...written 37 years ago. Pretty sure thing have changed a bit then. It's possible, but that seems like a lot of work to keep the entire nation's doctor supply low while demand is very high and inelastic.

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