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    Re: Regulations vs free market

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Hm?

    By regulations I mean not the lack of any rules but all kinds of levers for price control by the government (subsidies, duties, tariffs, VAT, licences, permits, etc., etc).
    How much market involvement of the government would you tolerate?
    Well permits and licenses are pretty important. I don't need a mechanic or air conditioner repair man very often. I'd like to know they have insurance and at least a baseline of knowledge to try and fix my things.

    For subsidies and price control...I think they are easy to demonize but bumper crops in say agriculture shouldn't lead to mass closures of farms. It's a good thing we have plenty of food in this country.
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    Re: Regulations vs free market

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    I dont see anyone demanding higher wage and getting it...do you
    I like how everything EVERYTHING Democrats, Libertarians, Greens, and Republicans do decreases the wages of workers. Whether it's regulation, Green stuff, importing cheap foreign workers, free trade, or anything else. There's not a single thing the 1st and 3rd parties do that actually increases the wages of workers, in a broad "promote the general welfare of the people" sense. (Like the auto bailout kept some people employed but at a fractional greater cost to all other workers in the form of taxes and debt)

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    Re: Regulations vs free market

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    So it's their problem to learn how to make decisions. In a week they will starve and demand higher wage instead of waiting for the nanny-state to take care for them.
    Never mind, we had our statements. It's OK to have different points of view. Cheers!
    Yeah, one person will starve because the next guy will get his loaf of bread. That doesn't lead to change, it just leads to more poverty and starvation. Are you under the impression that no one starves in America? Or that no one freezes to death in winter? Has all the right-wing propaganda about food stamps and welfare gotten to you, too?
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    Re: Regulations vs free market

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    I dont see anyone demanding higher wage and getting it...do you
    Let's remove subsidies first, shall we?

    No subsidies = less taxes = more money for employers (and people who pay taxes) = increased wages
    No subsidies = more expensive food = starving low wage workers = I'm sorry, I can't work for $3 per hour, that can't even cover my food & shelter. Find another sucker, boss... if you can.

    Come on people, it's common sense! Unemployment has very little to do with food subsidies.

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Or that no one freezes to death in winter? Has all the right-wing propaganda about food stamps and welfare gotten to you, too?
    Tell you the truth I prefer food stamps to food subsidies. Then you know who receives what, the distinction is clear. Can't do that with subsidised food.
    Last edited by Canell; 05-11-12 at 11:53 AM. Reason: added text

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    Re: Regulations vs free market

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    So it's their problem to learn how to make decisions...in a week they will starve and demand higher wages instead of waiting for the nanny-state to take care for them.
    Do you honestly believe this? Or are you just being ostentatious?

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    Re: Regulations vs free market

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    Do you honestly believe this? Or are you just being ostentatious?
    If you are an employer and nobody wants to sweep your floor for $3 per hour, won't you raise the wage?
    Yes, I believe it.
    Last edited by Canell; 05-11-12 at 12:02 PM.

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    Re: Regulations vs free market

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    If you are an employer and nobody wants to sweep your floor for $3 per hour, won't you raise the wage?
    Yes, I believe it.
    With no unemployment...or food stamps....or welfare...then why would nobody sweep the floor for 3 bucks? If it's 3 bucks an hour and work to survive or die...people will take the 3 bucks.

    Hence...more conservative/libertarian anti-labor polices.
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    Re: Regulations vs free market

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    If you are an employer and nobody wants to sweep your floor for $3 per hour, won't you raise the wage?
    Yes, I believe it.
    But someone always will take the $3 in the real world and you know this. Especially if they're starving, I mean c'mon...there has to be some cognitive dissonance working here. If you were starving, you'd postpone eating for as long as it takes in order to get the guy to give you $4? That is ludacris and I don't buy it for a second.

    And then to invoke the "nanny state"? How ideological can you get in one statement? Nanny state implies overbearing or excessive government assistance; assistance to a legitimately starving person is excessive?

    Is this a libertarian syndrome? The absolute steadfast refusal to see the real world and preference for overly-simplified examples. And then to have the audacity to be all, "well, I'D do it!" when we all know damn well you wouldn't.
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    Re: Regulations vs free market

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    But someone always will take the $3 in the real world and you know this. Especially if they're starving, I mean c'mon...there has to be some cognitive dissonance working here. If you were starving, you'd postpone eating for as long as it takes in order to get the guy to give you $4? That is ludacris and I don't buy it for a second.
    So you're claiming that offering someone who is starving money for work, is bad?

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    Re: Regulations vs free market

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    But someone always will take the $3 in the real world and you know this. Especially if they're starving, I mean c'mon...there has to be some cognitive dissonance working here. If you were starving, you'd postpone eating for as long as it takes in order to get the guy to give you $4? That is ludacris and I don't buy it for a second.
    $3 was just an example. We can lower it to $1, if you wish and try again.
    If your rent is $500 and your food is $150, would you work for $300 when you can't even stay alive with that wage?

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