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    What does Libertarian Party need to happen for them to move forward...

    What does Libertarian Party (party, not individuals) need to happen for them to move forward in their agenda and helping the country?

    There are some who are so anti-libertarian that they will never give the notion an objective chance, but they will post here anyway. *sigh*. Personally, while I used to be libertarian, I no longer consider myself to be so, yet I still hold many of the ideals. Where they lose me is the utter lack of understanding of human nature, but be that as it may, there's a great deal of the philosophy that I still like. Anyway...

    If libertarian philosophy and the Libertarian Party is to move forward and actually effect change, what has to happen? I'm speaking primarily for this year and in this year's November elections.

    1. Develop a base? I.e.: local, state, Congress, etc. offices first?
    2. Elect a President without a base?
    3. Be included in Presidential debates?
    4. Carry 10%+ of the popular vote in the Presidential election?
    5. Other?

    To me, the Libertarian Party's biggest roadblock is itself. It doesn't organize locally. It doesn't build from the ground up. It would have to become what it loathes... a political organization that plays the game... in order to expand beyond the fringes. This is really the catch-22, isn't it? Compromise to gain access and change, or remain loyal to ideals and remain irrelevant.

    Note: This link is just meant as a reference for the thread... Gary Johnson 2.0: the Libertarians
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    Re: What does Libertarian Party need to happen for them to move forward...

    In the thread linked above, it says...
    With his name already slated to be on every state ballot in the country in November, the next step is to be included in more national polls so he can work toward achieving the 15 percent needed for eligibility in the Presidential Commission debates with Obama and Romney, a goal even he admits is far-fetched.
    15% to me is unreasonably high. I know both the Reps AND Dems skew participation for their own benefit, but really it should be no more than 5% required.
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    Re: What does Libertarian Party need to happen for them to move forward...

    from Radcen

    To me, the Libertarian Party's biggest roadblock is itself. It doesn't organize locally. It doesn't build from the ground up. It would have to become what it loathes... a political organization that plays the game... in order to expand beyond the fringes.
    You said it extremely well and have hit at least one of the two important nails firmly and squarely upon its head. I agree with every word there.

    The second nail is perhaps more uncomfortable - and that is that the very core of libertarian beliefs are simply not in agreement with the vast majority of the American people. As such, nothing is going to make people accept libertarianism as it is akin to the skull and crossbones on a medicine bottle. Notice that even the most famous of American libertarians - the poster boy Ron Paul - has to run as a Republican to get elected. Even he cannot run as what he pretends he is and have a snowballs chance of getting elected to public office.
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    Re: What does Libertarian Party need to happen for them to move forward...

    Libertarians need a few things to happen. First, a lot of Libertarians are embedded in the Republican party.

    They need a base to start from the ground up. Ron Paul has done a fantastic job at doing this. His Libertarian leaning philosophies have grabbed people into a movement. They are essentially taking over the GOP at the local level in many states. For the party on its own, it would need money..a lot of money which happens to be in the big two. I believe that is why a lot of Libertarians are in fact members of the GOP.

    A Libertarian candidate would have to be in a nationally televised debate. This is without question a crucial step to move forward. However, this would prove very costly and difficult because the big two would fight against it.

    Also, Libertarian party would need to find a way to promote itself. Whether it be by social media or otherwise; they got to get the news out that the party exists because in mainstream America...no other party exists. For example, another poll around the forum asks if you would vote for Romney or Obama without giving a choice of someone else...people either think they don't exist or stand no chance. Both of those statements are truthful in this day and age.
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    Re: What does Libertarian Party need to happen for them to move forward...

    I don't see how the Libertarian party can possibly expect to win elections without a significant base. When a Libertarian candidate gets less than 1% of the vote, that should be huge clue that the great majority of voters don't share in their vision.
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    Re: What does Libertarian Party need to happen for them to move forward...

    Greater frontal lobe development of the majority of the population.
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    Re: What does Libertarian Party need to happen for them to move forward...

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Greater frontal lobe development of the majority of the population.
    AHA!!! Its not Johnny's fault that nobody else in the parade is leading with that foot. Its everybody else who is out of step but Johnny.

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    Re: What does Libertarian Party need to happen for them to move forward...

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Greater frontal lobe development of the majority of the population.
    This type of recruiting effort helps explain why Libertarian candidates get less than 1% of the vote.
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    Re: What does Libertarian Party need to happen for them to move forward...

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    AHA!!! Its not Johnny's fault that nobody else in the parade is leading with that foot. Its everybody else who is out of step but Johnny.

    Spoken like a true doting and forgiving mother blinded to reality by love.
    Well you're pretty much the other side of that coin, so I'm not sure how much room you have to talk there NP...I mean haymarket.
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    Re: What does Libertarian Party need to happen for them to move forward...

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    What does Libertarian Party (party, not individuals) need to happen for them to move forward in their agenda and helping the country?
    Realistically? Probably a total collapse of the system as we know it.
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