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    15 53.57%
  • Elect a President without a base?

    0 0%
  • Be included in Presidential debates?

    10 35.71%
  • Carry 10%+ of the Presidental popular vote?

    4 14.29%
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    Re: What does Libertarian Party need to happen for them to move forward...

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    It's much easier to get rid of a bad business than a bad government. You can refuse to do business with a private business, and they will fail from lack of funds. Not so with a government who gets your money and your business regardless of how solid or honest they are, or are not.
    Without a government, they would form monopolies, so you would not have a choice of who to buy from.

    BTW, how is the no government thing working out for Somalia?
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    Re: What does Libertarian Party need to happen for them to move forward...

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    Tobacco companies spent billions trying to convince people cigarettes were healthy. Exxon-Mobil is spending billions to convince people fossil fuels don't cause global warming. Think any of these will fail any time soon?
    If people refuse to buy their products, then they will fail.
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    Re: What does Libertarian Party need to happen for them to move forward...

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Governments buy people (votes) with promises which are financed by those who are paying.
    Which is exactly my point. We can throw out every politician that is bought off, three more are right behind him. So how do we address the businesses that are essentially calling the shots for our representatives if they are private entities, endowed with full rights as citizens to political speech and have bottomless pits of money and entire battalions of lawyers to defend against every possible attack?

    Government isn't, as a rule, responsible to anything besides what it takes to hold on to power.
    Which rule is that? Because that's not what our rules say.
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    Re: What does Libertarian Party need to happen for them to move forward...

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    Which is exactly my point. We can throw out every politician that is bought off, three more are right behind him. So how do we address the businesses that are essentially calling the shots for our representatives if they are private entities, endowed with full rights as citizens to political speech and have bottomless pits of money and entire battalions of lawyers to defend against every possible attack?
    Get rid of lobbying, special interest groups, and subsidization of industries/business.
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    Re: What does Libertarian Party need to happen for them to move forward...

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    If people refuse to buy their products, then they will fail.
    Cop out. You know that never works. Comcast sucks, everyone in CO hates them and yet they're the number 1 cable provider in the state. The entire US of A hates BP, guess who's still here? Huge businesses don't fail because people don't like them or are opposed to what they're doing. They fail because they aren't making enough profit or the government shuts them down.

    This is a frustrating sticking point to me with mainstream libertarians; the insistence on easy explanations for complex things.

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    Re: What does Libertarian Party need to happen for them to move forward...

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Get rid of lobbying, special interest groups, and subsidization of industries/business.
    Companies are citizens. They have the same right as you to petition the government and buy political ads. Seems that most of the mainstream libertarians support this principle.

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    Re: What does Libertarian Party need to happen for them to move forward...

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    Cop out. You know that never works. Comcast sucks, everyone in CO hates them and yet they're the number 1 cable provider in the state. The entire US of A hates BP, guess who's still here? Huge businesses don't fail because people don't like them or are opposed to what they're doing. They fail because they aren't making enough profit or the government shuts them down.

    This is a frustrating sticking point to me with mainstream libertarians; the insistence on easy explanations for complex things.
    It's not a cop out. If there is no demand for their product, they will not survive, unless they are getting subsidized from somewhere.
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    Re: What does Libertarian Party need to happen for them to move forward...

    Quote Originally Posted by Nick2253 View Post
    This is blatant misstatement of Libertarianism. You are assuming that government can do no harm, which is false. Libertarianism is about improving the nation, because they are about doing away with the harmful government.
    Exactly. You want to be elected to government because you don't believe in government. Why should the American people elect you to anything?
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    Re: What does Libertarian Party need to happen for them to move forward...

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Of course you thought that. Luckily there are SOME reasonable, intelligent people...even liberals...who are smart enough to see the federal government, the dems and the republicans for the dismal failures that they are. Unfortunately, there are far too many people like you on both the left and right looking for bigger shovels with which to bury your grandchildren.
    Wow! Hyperbole much?
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    Re: What does Libertarian Party need to happen for them to move forward...

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    It's not a cop out. If there is no demand for their product, they will not survive, unless they are getting subsidized from somewhere.
    You do realize large companies diversify? They have money coming from other companies they own. I'm saying it would be impossible to shrink demand to bankrupt a corporation doing things that are harmful. Do you really think the other companies, who buy their necessary products from that corporation, would go along with the boycott at the expense of their own profitability?

    You're living in a dream world. Just because something is theoretically possible doesn't make it possible in the real world, Joise.

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