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    Re: What does Libertarian Party need to happen for them to move forward...

    Quote Originally Posted by Nick2253 View Post
    This is blatant misstatement of Libertarianism. You are assuming that government can do no harm, which is false. Libertarianism is about improving the nation, because they are about doing away with the harmful government.
    IMO, many libertarians fail to see that private actors and private businesses can screw you just as much as government can.
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    Re: What does Libertarian Party need to happen for them to move forward...

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Of course you thought that. Luckily there are SOME reasonable, intelligent people...even liberals...who are smart enough to see the federal government, the dems and the republicans for the dismal failures that they are. Unfortunately, there are far too many people like you on both the left and right looking for bigger shovels with which to bury your grandchildren.
    Got ya! You are waiting for the perfect candidate to vote for to create the perfect utopia. Best of luck with the perfection you are looking for!
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    Re: What does Libertarian Party need to happen for them to move forward...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Wish I were rich.
    I just had a thought; the current "mainstream" right-libertarianism that is trying to make a name politically is a lot like the Secret. They both kind of portray themselves as this kind of "hidden knowledge" that has the power to unlock all your desires. The Secret says if you work really hard putting good energy into the universe, you will be rewarded; if it doesn't work for you, then you're not working hard enough. Right-libertarianism is kind of the same thing; it says that if you work really hard and put energy into that particular economic system, you will be rewarded. If it doesn't work and your still poor, then you're not working hard enough.

    Ultimately they both have the same dirty little secret works. The Secret doesn't work in our universe, and neither does this particularly harsh strain of libertarianism. Under their utopian vision of small, ineffective government and massive private, unrestrained power and control, the individual is crushed by the weight of our giant economy. The sheer cost of living, when given over to freed market forces, would simply decimate many people. It's a philosophy for a microlevel, not the world's most powerful nation.

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    Re: What does Libertarian Party need to happen for them to move forward...

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Got ya! You are waiting for the perfect candidate to vote for to create the perfect utopia. Best of luck with the perfection you are looking for!
    Perfect/ Nah...Id settle for a congress that could do something as simple as agree to a reasonable budget and not spend their entire time pandering to their drooling mindless supporters.

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    Re: What does Libertarian Party need to happen for them to move forward...

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    IMO, many libertarians fail to see that private actors and private businesses can screw you just as much as government can.
    It's much easier to get rid of a bad business than a bad government. You can refuse to do business with a private business, and they will fail from lack of funds. Not so with a government who gets your money and your business regardless of how solid or honest they are, or are not.
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    Re: What does Libertarian Party need to happen for them to move forward...

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    It's much easier to get rid of a bad business than a bad government. You can refuse to do business with a private business, and they will fail from lack of funds. Not so with a government who gets your money and your business regardless of how solid or honest they are, or are not.
    You can't overthrow a private organization. Government are usually responsible to the people, and if they mess up, they go down. Private corporations are only responsible to their shareholders. Try overthrowing a corporation sometime. Tell me how many seconds before the police come and stop you?

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    Re: What does Libertarian Party need to happen for them to move forward...

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    It's much easier to get rid of a bad business than a bad government. You can refuse to do business with a private business, and they will fail from lack of funds. Not so with a government who gets your money and your business regardless of how solid or honest they are, or are not.
    True. But in practize, I am not less skeptic of government than of private businesses. The only thing that can keep government in check is the private sector, and the only thing that can keep the private sector in check is government. It's all about a good balance.

    I think we found that point before, but I also think that the protection of private property does not have priority. Saving human life and dignity has a priority before private possession, IMO.
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    Re: What does Libertarian Party need to happen for them to move forward...

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    You can't overthrow a private organization. Government are usually responsible to the people, and if they mess up, they go down. Private corporations are only responsible to their shareholders.
    Governments buy people (votes) with promises which are financed by those who are paying. Government isn't, as a rule, responsible to anything besides what it takes to hold on to power.
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    Re: What does Libertarian Party need to happen for them to move forward...

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    It's much easier to get rid of a bad business than a bad government. You can refuse to do business with a private business, and they will fail from lack of funds. Not so with a government who gets your money and your business regardless of how solid or honest they are, or are not.
    Tobacco companies spent billions trying to convince people cigarettes were healthy. Exxon-Mobil is spending billions to convince people fossil fuels don't cause global warming. Think any of these will fail any time soon?

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    Re: What does Libertarian Party need to happen for them to move forward...

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Perfect/ Nah...Id settle for a congress that could do something as simple as agree to a reasonable budget and not spend their entire time pandering to their drooling mindless supporters.
    Well what are you waiting for? Get out there and work to elect candidates you think will do that. Democracy is not a spectator sport.
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